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varbrah
varbrah
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RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction

Jeez, got me to log back in with the amount of mentions in this thread, hahaha. Roughly 6 months, or up until I got my expander removed.

2 years ago
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RE: Example of excellent facial development with a ‘kind of long’ midface

What I think you mean is that he looks very European for a Turk, which isn’t necessarily surprising given the pre-Ottoman ethnic composition of Anatol…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards? [MSE + Facemask Therapy]

This is just my opinion, but what often needs to be done is stimulating maxillary sutural growth. The four “main” sutures of the maxilla are the front…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards? [MSE + Facemask Therapy]

I did NCR for a bit, but then got lazy. It wouldn’t disrupt the screws since they’re completely in the bone still. I started using using FM a few days…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards? [MSE + Facemask Therapy]

His reasoning applying upwards force is pretty poor IMO, so not sure if I agree with that force vector, lol. I’ve described this before as fundamental…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards? [MSE + Facemask Therapy]

Dem boyz: Braces coming off in 3 weeks, x-rays and full report coming soon after if the schedule allows. I will likely end up making a site/blog and I…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

Just busy with life hoss. Final pics + my full case study with discussion yet to come – braces coming off soon, hopefully, in which case I’ll start co…

3 years ago
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RE: Great results found on reddit!!

My Friend, Astaghfirullah – you confuse the community with your anachronisms and corruption of the pillars set forth by our Prophet (pbuh). It is said…

3 years ago
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RE: Great results found on reddit!!

Jihad does mean ‘struggle’ so you are not wrong either way.

3 years ago
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RE: Great results found on reddit!!

As-Salaam-Alaikum Brother, Finally we have further evidence against the profligatory nature of the infidels on this forum. Inshallah, we will purge th…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

By the way guys, hear UCLAnewbie out. He’s approaching this from a good place, and in a cautionary manner, and is moreso concerned about all of the ot…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

The people in the case study photos look essentially the same even, but I can still point out some subtle changes in the mid-face that are positive. F…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

My bite was technically class 1, but the transverse dimensions of my maxillary arch were deficient and both jaws are retruded. Rather than developing …

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

This isn’t really the case unless you are applying a sufficient constrictive force perpendicular to the alveolar ridge. If it were that easy you could…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

Nope, I actually over-expanded a bit as a precaution against any residual relapse and and my upper molars still stick out a tiny but further out than …

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

Braces for a few months now with a power chain to slowly close the diastema. Put in new custom-made wires last week to start lining everything up and …

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

Fair enough, but the constant badgering and entitlement from randoms makes me want to update even less, lol. I wouldn’t have introduced MSE into the c…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

FYI and not sure if it’s been posted elsewhere, but Ronald Ead is going to be getting those sweet MSE gains.

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

So are you ever going to stop accusing me of willfully withholding info due to lack of results? That’s like what, three comments in a row now insinuat…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

idk how many times I have to tell you people that I’ll post x-rays ONCE I GET THEM lol

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

No single surgery is going to be able to widen your entire midface including cheekbones, and in such a way that the outcome looks natural. Similarly n…

3 years ago
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RE: Methods for Forward Growth of Skeletal portion of maxilla

forward growth from mse+fm is not alveolar at all

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

I see what you’re saying but that is still largely an artifact of x-ray imaging and bone maturity, and there is no scar tissue there. As I said in my …

3 years ago
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RE: Discovery regarding uneven upswing/submental

You were straining one side of your face by pushing harder on that side, so more than likely you were accidentally recruiting surrounding muscle group…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

It effectively is osteogenic growth. The manner of separation, cut as in distraction osteogenesis or separation of the suture doesn’t matter as long a…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

My orthodontist has performed and documented numerous expansions with MSE, he has shown me multiple cases from consenting patients and no such 30% rel…

3 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

@asp Only really experienced pain for a day or to after getting the MSE in, but it was easily managed with NSAIDs. During expansion phase you will rea…

4 years ago
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RE: Lefort 3 osteotomy price?

There’s two threads floating around, if you can’t find them try the search function – all relevant info there + more. MSE = Maxillary Skeletal Expande…

4 years ago
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RE: Lefort 3 osteotomy price?

Let me know if you have any questions as I’m a few weeks from finishing up my treatment with MSE+FM. I’m kind of curious to see your pics and how you …

4 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

Molar bands attached to the MSE will usually have tubes that hooks can be soldered into. You can slip elastics around those — i have a friend in anoth…

4 years ago
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RE: AGGA log – rapid growth

Thanks for your log – Would you have any x-rays/before and afters to share from your treatment? I am an AGGA skeptic and I’m super curious to see more…

4 years ago
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RE: Expanding Mandible To Fit Wisdom Teeth

I have not researched mandibular expansion a whole lot since the mandible wasn’t a problem area for me, but as far as I am aware you could either use …

4 years ago
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RE: How to contact ‘krollic’. Meowing guide

Wlasnie trzeba wyrobic ten nawyk trzymania jezyka na podniebieniu, szczegolnie tylny jezyk na podniebieniu miekkim. Ja musialem to cwiczyc poltora rok…

4 years ago
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RE: How to contact ‘krollic’. Meowing guide

1. Koncowka jezyka ma byc odrazu za przednimi zebami na “incisive papilla” (wpisz w google jak nie wiesz o co chodzi). Reszte jezyka masz dac na cale …

4 years ago
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RE: Is this an example of eye change from maxilla advancement?

Under eye skin probably brightened up from improved airway, better sleep, etc.

4 years ago
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RE: A chemical experiment – unlimited funds but needing input.

Why unable to pin daily? Ipam and all others GHRPs are virtually useless for what you’re trying to achieve if you can’t pin daily as is any GHRH (dac …

4 years ago
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RE: A chemical experiment – unlimited funds but needing input.

Nothing bunk about most commercial fish oils being rancid/oxidized. They are highly unstable.

4 years ago
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RE: Relapse after Maxillary Expansion

Possible, but that’s why I continue to shill specifically for MSE as opposed to MARPE in general as the answer. MSE is able to get more expansion in t…

4 years ago
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RE: Relapse after Maxillary Expansion

If you are getting relapse after a sufficient retention period you have not achieved true skeletal expansion, just bone bending.

4 years ago
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RE: A chemical experiment – unlimited funds but needing input.

I think you want to be running a CJC 1295 NO DAC aka Mod GRF 1-29 which will cause GH release to be more pulsatile, which I believe is preferable. Ide…

4 years ago
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RE: Relapse after Maxillary Expansion

Depends which form of RME we’re talking. Anything non-bone anchored in adults is a waste of time unless you are looking for dentoalveolar changes. MSE…

4 years ago
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RE: Possibly new “holy grail” for moving the maxilla up and forwards?

Posted by: Varbrah anchorage are the metal orthodontic bands on my 1st molars which direct the force to the MSE, so total bone anchored. @varbrah, doe…

4 years ago
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RE: MSE + FM Treatment Protocol

All gucci, progress good, still protracting. Face looks more angular for sure and no issues with the mandible swinging forward.

4 years ago
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RE: Have you ever seen a more perfect bone structure?

The ‘majestic’ look is a trick of photography and is due to the contrast created by lighting + dark skin, just look at any non-staged photo of the maa…

4 years ago
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RE: MSE + FM Treatment Protocol

The appropriate force vectors are all broken out for you if you actually take the time to read and comprehend the won moon studies. -30 degrees to the…

4 years ago
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RE: Texted my ortho, then he sends me this. What do I do?

Why don’t you just follow the protocol as outlined by PROFESSIONALS who by the way aren’t idiots when it comes to this stuff as 95% of people on this …

4 years ago
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RE: Texted my ortho, then he sends me this. What do I do?

How are you going to pull +30 degrees? Lol. Rubberbands going through your skull? The maxilla does not grow up and forward like that anyway. It has to…

4 years ago
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RE: Texted my ortho, then he sends me this. What do I do?

The mandible will only autorotate if there is an adequate component of ‘upward’ displacement or ccw rotation of the maxillary complex. This happens so…

4 years ago
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