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RE: Chin Growth/Ramus Angularity Topic

You can get soft tissue improvement of the mentalis and improving inclination of the teeth so that the chin comes forward relative to the position of …

2 years ago
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RE: Fixed Anterior Growth Guidance Appliance (FAGGA) – Holy Grail? Gonial angle change, maxilla movement forwards and palate widening. Without surgery.

@le_fort_or_bust Yes, “I would only add yet another couple observations: 1. The acrylic pad on the anterior palate increases anchorage in that ar…

2 years ago
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RE: Here is why MSE+FM doesn’t and won’t produce much forward movement in adults

If light forces worked people would have results, you would go to the orthotropics subreddit and see amazing before and afters, you would see amazing …

2 years ago
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RE: Realistic mm of forward protraction in adults with mse + facemask?

Won Moon says 3 mm for an adult, I’d say you’re fully grown or close to it so 3 mm, maybe mm more. It appears as though it moves the entire maxil…

2 years ago
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RE: Maxillary upswing

@chris123 Hard mewing, but even that is not enough probably, the tongue isn’t that strong.

2 years ago
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RE: Maxillary upswing

@chris123 My opinion has changed since then. Yes, I do think that it’s the front of the tongue that causes upswing/forward growth, but I don’t think…

2 years ago
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RE: Hard mewing tounge tie and clenching pain.

@meowxilla It’s probably because hard mewing pushes the mandible back and down (when your hardmewing you’re usually pushing the tongue up and forwar…

2 years ago
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RE: Hard mewing tounge tie and clenching pain.

@meowxilla Don’t chin tuck, stop having teeth in contact. Chin tucking impinges the internal jugular vein, and teeth contact leads to clenching and …

2 years ago
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RE: Masseter affects length, not just width.

@thebeastpanda Aesthetic wise, maxilla is more important, yes, a good jaw on a man is aesthetic but that’s dependent on the maxilla. If you have a r…

2 years ago
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RE: Masseter affects length, not just width.

@thebeastpanda Just don’t fatigue the muscle too much I guess. If you fatigue the jaw muscles too much you won’t be able to chew with as much force.

2 years ago
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RE: I just attempted cheekless chewing

@krollic Buccinators are supposed to be used in that manner, they keep food against the teeth so they can be broken down. Buccinator atrophy is a co…

2 years ago
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RE: Modifying Y-Plate Expander for forward growth?

It will probably not cause forward growth. 1. Not enough force 2. It’s anchored to the molars, the forward force of the appliance also pushes the …

2 years ago
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RE: Static forces vs cyclical loading

@toomer Here’s a study that’s cited in the one I linked, they use the same amount of force and time each day; “for 10 minutes/day over 12 days wi…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

@apollo @greyham The image comparing MSE to RPE, is it before the suture split? Where does the force go when the suture splits and the other sutur…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

@greyham “you can see tremendous bone strain with the tooth borne expander”, which sounds like a bad thing, “… but with MSE all the strain or forc…

2 years ago
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RE: Trying for controlled masseter hypertrophy – need tips from those who tried it

@thebeastpanda What’s more important is the underlying bone structure. For example, if you have an asymmetry which gives you TMJ problems it’s not g…

2 years ago
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RE: How do we correct overbite without professional help?

@thebeastpanda Generally it isn’t a good idea to push teeth, but pushing teeth isn’t bad if the teeth are in the wrong position, in the case of an o…

2 years ago
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RE: How do we correct overbite without professional help?

Overbite or overjet? I think with an overbite you could theoretically fix it pushing the tongue against the teeth and using the incisors when chewing,…

2 years ago
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RE: Anyone doing what AGGA is doing but with their tongue?

@drunkwithcoffee Gaps form with agga due to the nature of the device. It’s anchored onto the molars, so it’s only natural that a gap will form from …

2 years ago
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RE: Anyone doing what AGGA is doing but with their tongue?

Yes, I firmly believe this is how you get forward growth, the problem with agga is that it anchors to the molars giving the characteristic agga gap. T…

2 years ago
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RE: My Chewing Technique for Prominent Cheekbones | What factors I consider while chewing.

@thebeastpanda Just for example, if your face is more recessed, you’ll probably use more temporalis than masseter, if you are more forward grown the…

2 years ago
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RE: My Chewing Technique for Prominent Cheekbones | What factors I consider while chewing.

@robbie343 I agree, the only thing that can really change how the muscles activate is the jaws position. I can see how the jaw muscles activate diff…

2 years ago
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RE: Strengthening tongue by injecting steroids to improve mewing results?

@cliffbars I think it would work. Another thing that could possibly help to make MSE work better is opening the screw by a large amount for a short …

2 years ago
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RE: Blocking airway while mewing?

@chiefkeefsosa My chin is more prominent, slightly straighter teeth, no noticeable changes in the cheekbones. I hardmewed for about 2 months or so a…

2 years ago
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RE: Strengthening tongue by injecting steroids to improve mewing results?

@basim The tongue can produce 9 psi of force posteriorly, the anterior tongue can produce around 6 psi of force. Here’s studies on how much …

2 years ago
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RE: Blocking airway while mewing?

@backtriggs lum1s#5337 I forgot to respond, I don’t use discord much.

2 years ago
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RE: Strengthening tongue by injecting steroids to improve mewing results?

@cliffbars @Basim I still support mewing but my opinions changed a bit since then, posture affects structure just as much as structure affects postu…

2 years ago
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RE: Ronald Ead’s critcisms of the Homeoblock and DNA appliances

@toomer I don’t understand people who say adult sutures are fused, if they were being honest they would say they are more fused/ossified than a chil…

2 years ago
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RE: My Mewing Problem

@chiefkeefsosa I got minor improvements in the soft tissue of my chin, but I’ve honestly given up a few times for a couple days because hard mewing …

2 years ago
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RE: My Mewing Problem

@chiefkeefsosa This studied used 500 g on rhesus monkeys, it references other studies where they use 300-800g of force, and even 2-6 pounds of fo…

2 years ago
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RE: TMJ and starting mewing

If you suction hold then no, but if you hard mew it could flare up TMD. I’ve experienced it personally, when I’m hard mewing, the force of my tongue l…

2 years ago
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RE: Blocking airway while mewing?

@backtriggs Feel your adam’s apple when you swallow, hold at the peak of the swallow, you won’t be able to breathe. Do the same thing, but instead o…

2 years ago
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RE: Anyone have an upper lip tongue tie – and is it a problem?

Having a frenulum is normal, if it doesn’t inhibit movement of the lip then it’s fine. You can check for a tongue tie by opening your mouth 3 fingers …

2 years ago
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RE: teeth together at rest

@wickedfinger I’m of the opinion you should do whatever you can to grow/expand the maxilla and get room for the tongue. The resting posture should b…

2 years ago
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RE: teeth together at rest

@lawnmewer It doesn’t matter what I do, if my teeth touch the masseters are contracting, if your jaw is at rest and the teeth touch then it’s probab…

2 years ago
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RE: teeth together at rest

Teeth apart, when your jaw muscles are at rest your teeth are apart, a lip seal and suction hold prevents the mouth from opening.

2 years ago
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RE: 24f, years of TMD with no improvement. Agga or MSE or Surgery?

@toomer That sounds interesting, are there any resources you can link which discusses how the DNA works? Also, are you currently undergoing DNA trea…

2 years ago
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RE: How to grow maxilla forward and upward?

@robbie343 It’s not the suture split itself that makes face mask effective, it’s the loosening/activation of all the sutures in the maxilla. 500-150…

2 years ago
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RE: How does the ramus bone lengthen?

Chewing + forward growth, the more forward grown you are the longer the ramus and more acute the gonial angle is usually Here’s an example, left…

2 years ago
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RE: Newtons of force on hard palate trough various methods.

@azrael Yes, I think the more force the faster the maxillary movement to a point. The issue is the tongue fatigues, and this explain why hardmewing …

2 years ago
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RE: Newtons of force on hard palate trough various methods.

How did you come to 150-250N of force for thumbpulling? Here’s a study on maximum tongue protrusion force(males: 17.8 ± 3.7 N; females: 14.7 ± 3.5 N, …

2 years ago
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RE: Expander/ incisor sensitivity

It could be because the expansion is causing your teeth to shift, expansion gives more room for the teeth and they start shifting in place, or maybe t…

2 years ago
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RE: Introduction

@bimapro Myobrace for adults will just tip the teeth. As for cost, it’s similar to braces in that it can range, you’re paying for the personalized t…

2 years ago
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RE: Introduction

MSE + Facemask, Ronald Ead has many videos on MSE. Or you can go with the slower option that doesn’t split the suture, DNA appliance, her…

2 years ago
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RE: Why Crooked Teeth Are NOT Genetic – Video Series (Part 1)

Good video, genetics can influence greatly how malocclusion/CFD is expressed, but is is very rarely the cause.

2 years ago
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RE: MSE vs. DNA appliace (which is better)

@toomer I’m talking about the one @mysterecessed linked

2 years ago
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RE: MSE vs. DNA appliace (which is better)

@mysterecessed Those kind of expanders (RPE) are probably the worst. They only work on younger people, I’d guess the oldest that it would be effecti…

2 years ago
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RE: Jawliner vs. Jawzrsize vs. Chisell

@flixo Jawliner and chisell look fine, jawzrsize looks like a good way to get TMD.

2 years ago
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RE: Has anyone had successful alleviation of TMD symptoms via FAGGA+braces+tongue-tie release (dentist David Cook, in London, is suggesting this for me)

All I want to say is don’t do AGGA, there is great risk for damage. There are better alternatives (MSE + facemask). FAGGA doesn’t really have any evid…

2 years ago
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RE: Maxiallry facepulling but with MAGNETS (IDEA ONLY)

@crimsonchin It’s pretty self explanatory, I’d caution to not push forward on the teeth. I made that mistake initially and my front teeth became sor…

2 years ago
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RE: Maxiallry facepulling but with MAGNETS (IDEA ONLY)

@crimsonchin It doesn’t, that’s because the idea of the maxilla going “up” is completely wrong and not actually how the maxilla grows. What actually…

2 years ago
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RE: How to “really” move maxilla up and foward?

@meowxilla Astro looks the same? Just look at his cheekbones in the 3/4th view, he’s gotten insane lateral expansion. Same type of expansi…

2 years ago
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RE: Is there a way to fix my wisdom tooth?

Just keep mewing and thumbpulling and monitor the wisdom tooth, if you start getting pain there you’ll need to consider getting it removed unfortunate…

2 years ago
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