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RE: Can adolescent extraction/retraction orthodontics actually cause adult obstructive sleep apnea?

Orthodontist Bill Hang discusses this study with otolaryngologist Dr Steven Park on his podcast episode Can Orthodontics Cause Obstructive Sleep Apnea…

2 months ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

Hmmm… I don’t know what’s going on. I see my blog post from yesterday just contradicted my assertion from 5 months ago that my screw isn’t winding i…

1 year ago
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RE: Can adolescent extraction/retraction orthodontics actually cause adult obstructive sleep apnea?

@toomer just kindly pointed me to this recent publication of a case report of a pre-molar extraction victim who developed severe OSA, which cites Lars…

1 year ago
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RE: Considering AGGA+Controlled Arch or DNA

@blackbear I get that you’re passionate about this cause and want orthodontists to change their behaviour. I want that too, so could you please stop l…

1 year ago
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RE: How to find DNA Appliance practioners?

Vivos have a provider locator, but only two of the Australian providers are listed, so I made a list of Australian DNA Appliance Providers I’m aware o…

2 years ago
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RE: Considering AGGA+Controlled Arch or DNA

The progress photos I’ve seen online of AGGA+CAB show massive flaring of the teeth after AGGA, and then CAB pulling them back in. To me, this is a red…

2 years ago
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RE: What Goes Wrong in Growth and How Can an Adult Fix it

Hmmm… interesting. I’m learning a lot here, so thanks @ThaGangsta for kickstarting the discussion. This post also covers research I did on intermi…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

@apollo I generally stick to the one-turn-per-week schedule on both when I don’t have an impingement, and my lower appliance is lagging behind the u…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

That’s a really interesting question @apollo; I’ve always wondered what MSE users do about their mandible. I turn my lower mRNA appliance one 1/4mm …

2 years ago
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RE: Lingual Frenectomy – Cutting a Tongue Tie

Yes @toomer, I’ve been doing these myofunctional therapy exercises for obstructive sleep apnea that I found on YouTube twice a day religiously. Roge…

2 years ago
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RE: Static forces vs cyclical loading

I haven’t seen any research showing the effects of cycling at the extraordinarily low frequency that Dr. Miraglia recommends, which works out to be ar…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

I’m curious about one thing here: while DOME/SMARPE/MSE-with-Surgical-Assist reduces the risk of expander failure, I wonder if it also reduces the pot…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

I’m struck by the irony of you asking other people on an online forum not to make health decisions based on conference presentations from leading expe…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

I totally hear where you’re coming from. I wouldn’t mind a faster solution myself, but I also wasn’t keen on needing braces again to fix the diastema …

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

Dr. Singh made the comment that DNA doesn’t do palate expansion during his Sydney presentation in 2019 that I attended, and when I questioned him on i…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

You’ll get the effect that Dr Moon seeks: bone growth at the inter-maxillary suture via distraction osteogenesis, but you won’t get the effect that Dr…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

MSE does distraction osteogenesis at the suture, and DO appears to involve bone remodelling as part of the repair process according to this poster; it…

2 years ago
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RE: Dr. Won Moon seemingly surprised to find out “Pneumopedics(TM)” is actually a thing.

I have a different interpretation @toomer. I think the reason why the pharyngeal area is expanding with MSE is because it rotates each side of the e…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

Thanks for asking. I’ve just passed the two month mark using my mRNA Appliance and posted this update on my blog today. The summary is that I’ve recei…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

@mr-sand-man123 I don’t much care about the change in his appearance personally. For me the take-home message is that his myriad of chronic health c…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

Thanks for your question and the opportunity to clarify my understanding with you. I get that you are worried about this, but I’m not. Here’s why: T…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

That’s a pretty compelling video. Here’s one for the Homeoblock denialists:

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

So that when the muscles of the jaw relax completely during sleep, the resting position of the lower jaw is far enough forwards to keep the airway ope…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

I’m about 4 weeks in. It’s early days yet, but it’s going OK, thanks for asking. My next step is getting a facemask going. I’ll post an update when I …

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

I don’t “swear by Vivos” but I did choose a “so-called” mRNA to treat my OSA after doing a lot of research to decide what option was best for me. Yes,…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it and appreciate the cheers; I can hear them from here. I expect that a youngster who is properly treated with any …

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

@cliffbars I can’t see any reason why Biobloc couldn’t work on adults, but it’s a more basic device than the DNA appliance(s) and I haven’t seen any…

2 years ago
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RE: Let’s all argue about whether MSE is better than DNA

Yes. It appears to be aimed largely at children, and I’m an adult. Dr Singh, the inventor of the mRNA appliance I’m using, is one of the co-authors …

2 years ago
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RE: How much difference do milimetres of growth make

@cliffbars I’m about to start the same thing with my mRNA, as soon as I can work out how to get Forwardontics to ship a Bow to me here in Australia….

2 years ago
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RE: Has anyone used a forward-pull facemask with a Vivos DNA appliance?

I’m glad you’ve finally mentioned science, and note that you haven’t cited any. You’ll find the side-by-side scans in publications about DNA applian…

2 years ago
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RE: Has anyone used a forward-pull facemask with a Vivos DNA appliance?

You’re assuming that DNA is going to fail. Obviously if that’s your starting point, it’s not going to look very appealing to you. I do agree though th…

2 years ago
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RE: Has anyone used a forward-pull facemask with a Vivos DNA appliance?

I’ve come to pretty much exactly the same conclusion @toomer. All I would add is that at MMA works better when preceded by DOME/MSE (I wish I could fi…

2 years ago
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RE: Has anyone used a forward-pull facemask with a Vivos DNA appliance?

@toomer The ENT I saw said I would need my wisdom teeth removed to make space for the cuts. I was like: “More extractions? I don’t think so… that’…

2 years ago
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RE: Ronald Ead’s critcisms of the Homeoblock and DNA appliances

@floatingcloud Orthodontic literature is not all it’s cracked up to be, and what you call “other theories” are the in fact, the scientific consensus…

2 years ago
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RE: Ronald Ead’s critcisms of the Homeoblock and DNA appliances

Your argument is not supported by the scientific literature on bone growth/remodelling. This is pure unfounded speculation, which takes us full-circle…

2 years ago
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RE: DNA/VIVOS Sydney Practitioners

Thanks @JeanetteG. I met Jalal Khan at a presentation that Dr Singh gave in Sydney in November 2019, and have seen him to get fitted with a Vivos mRNA…

2 years ago
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RE: Can adolescent extraction/retraction orthodontics actually cause adult obstructive sleep apnea?

@toomer Yes, that’s my understanding: they were just using existing records and didn’t even contact any of the patients to confirm their assumptions…

2 years ago
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RE: Can adolescent extraction/retraction orthodontics actually cause adult obstructive sleep apnea?

Hey @archtecture, I’m sorry to hear what you’re going through. That sounds like hell. I also get a lot of nervous system problems which I now think …

2 years ago
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RE: DNA/VIVOS Sydney Practitioners

Hi Jeannette, Thanks for the tip-off. I’m also in Sydney and considering Vivos to treat my severe sleep apnea. Could you give us some more details o…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

I can only speculate based on what I’ve read but what I was thinking when I talked about “relapse” was that tooth-borne expanders mainly move teeth th…

3 years ago
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RE: Won Moons MSE (Maxillary Skeletal Expander) Appliance is the best appliance for what we are trying to achieve

Thanks for your post. I’m wondering whether to go with DOME or MSE, so you’re experience is really helpful. In this video, Mike Mew says: “If you go r…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

I’m also eagerly following Smash Face Jimbo’s progress, but I’m a little wary. I would attribute the rapid early improvement in his sleep apnea to the…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

Could you clarify what you mean by this @entelechy? Osteogenesis literally means “development and formation of bone”, so if bone is growing as a resul…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

Thanks for weighing in. It’s awesome having an actual dentist contributing here. Since Vivos isn’t available in Australia yet, one of my options is ge…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

Yes, my AHI was 49 in my first sleep study. 5 months of didgeridoo playing brought it down to 39 and an MAD took it to 31; but it’s still severe and I…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

Thanks for clarifying Nikki; and for sharing your story with us. It’s really helpful.

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

@mr-sand-man123 I’m totally with you. Please keep me/us informed with what you learn in the sleep study and anything else you discover. It is all pret…

3 years ago
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RE: Won Moons MSE (Maxillary Skeletal Expander) Appliance is the best appliance for what we are trying to achieve

Thanks again. My orthodontist recommended I get DOME+MMA and referred me to a local ENT surgeon who I believe does it. I’ll ask him more at my appoint…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

@noctilucentnikki Thanks Nikki. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. One other thing I’d like to ask: Am I correct in assuming that you didn’t h…

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

Thanks for your question! I’m actively researching this right now and visiting a lot of specialists to fully explore my options. I visited orthodontis…

3 years ago
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RE: Won Moons MSE (Maxillary Skeletal Expander) Appliance is the best appliance for what we are trying to achieve

Thanks @entelechy. This is really helpful to me. I’m seeking palate expansion in the hope of treating my severe sleep apnea, and I want to minimise th…

3 years ago
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RE: Won Moons MSE (Maxillary Skeletal Expander) Appliance is the best appliance for what we are trying to achieve

Can you please ask them if and why DOME surgery is preferable to corticopuncture as demonstrated here: Thanks, Graham

3 years ago
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RE: MSE + FM Treatment Protocol

Thanks for this thread @JimmyB. I’m a 51 yo male looking at doing this to open my airway in the hope of curing my severe sleep apnea. How long do you …

3 years ago
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RE: My story- 20 years of TMJD and MSE at 35

Thanks so much for posting this thread and sharing your experience on your blog Nikki. I have underdeveloped jaws and nasal obstruction causing severe…

3 years ago
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RE: How to find DNA Appliance practioners?

Anyone know of any DNA Appliance practitioners in Sydney, and/or Australia? Dr Singh is coming to Sydney on Thursday this week to give a talk at The S…

3 years ago

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