These terms aren’t even scientific. I prefer the term CFD

@mysterecessed My natural alignment is Class 3, so an underbite is just normal for me as it is. I couldn’t force Class 2 alignment if I tried. Wh…

Idk maybe 3 mm total once it’s said and done but I will have to measure my Mew line again. I don’t think my CFD will be cured. I think I’ll just be cl…

Thanks for the reply. It’s getting there. Temporalis chewing has helped a lot. I would say maybe 1mm left until proper occlusion.

Sort of same issue. I have to bite backwards in order for all teeth cusps to meet. My lower jaw wants to go forward. Do you have class 3 alignment?

Posture fixes first. Worry about chewing until you’ve developed good skull posture. This way you don’t overload your joint chewing the wrong way. This…

Where did you get this that they both cause CW rotation? Also, CW rotation is favorable for Class 3 cases

Short face syndrome indeed leads to what OP is sort of getting at. Look at Quentin Tarantino So no, op. A dropped maxilla doesn’t exist by itself

Looks like he touched molars in before and incisors in after. He does have an overbite based on his face structure (looks very short)

After pics with facial hair should be disregarded

My thing is that over time your molar chewing shouldn’t feel awkward. Your maxilla is probably very clockwise rotated so your molars can’t touch if yo…

When you jut do you underbite or just hold lower incisors behind upper ones? Or edge to edge? The way I see it a Class 2 alignment means the mandibl…

What is the ideal condyle position for the mandible?

Possibly but I have noticed baldness doesn’t discriminate. I know tons of bald guys with flat foreheads just the same

Specifically in my case I feel like forward growth has stretched my face forward and this has contributed to previous “bald” spots filling out. I wond…

I feel like my skull is an elongated version of Beckham’s rounder skull. But our overall shape is similar. Anyway I have theories on how CFD can af…

David Beckham has lost a lot of hair

@tiszo 618 nice. You’re probably better off looking in STL than around Metro East

No the closest thing I have looked into is a retired ortho from Grand Rapids, Michigan who studied under Mike Mew. But when I spoke to him he never me…

I have always advocated mewing with the mandible in whatever position is optimal, whether it be teeth touching or not. For me mewing was done in an un…

What exotic theories?

@progress I am not sure tbh. Where did you find it’s soft tissue?

The any CFD he may have is not very visible to me. Even looking at the OP I couldn’t really see CFD in that bald Scandinavian guy

@ginderella yes but that may not affect the underlying problem. We won’t know without pics

His mandible has always looked that way even as a kid. Plus he is Polynesian and they have prominent mandibles

@noises I don’t think Dwayne is even balding. His hairline has been that high since he was a toddler. He actually said the reason he shaves his head i…

@Progress I have noticed over time my top skeletal protrusion has actually reduced, making my head look less cone shaped. I don’t know if my postura…

@kwak76 maybe maxilla getting longer allows the mandible to come forward

How long have you been wearing your retainer?

When you chew the cusps of your teeth fit inside each other and this can shape how your bite fits.

Thanks for the kind words. I definitely don’t think I know a ton. I feel like I am only riding on the coattails of more established members and people…

I can see a huge improvement in your nasolabial angle. It clearly shows some kind of sagittal (is that the proper term?) growth of the maxilla. You…

Rotational chewing. Going from right molars to right premolars to right canines, incisors, then left incisors, canines, premolars, molars. Alternate p…

Is your bite class 2 or 1? I can agree with the need for some lengthening. Also, how do you chew? My recent experience has made me believe chewing can…

@ezekielb MSE probably over AGGA. I meant that earlier

@ginderella why a lip lift

And width

Rotation of the maxilla won’t affect much in your case. Your maxilla needs growth forward.

I had quite a similar starting point like you. Eyes with weak support, melted appearance. What helped me personally is keeping my teeth apart and enga…

Good balance of masseter to temporalis is ideal. Too long or short of a face are neither good outcomes. This is why you need a good of width to balanc…

Not sure, I don’t touch incisors at rest. Brett Maverick made a vid years ago and he says he touches front teeth only. He seems to have decent maxilla…

My maxilla “rotation” came through proper head posture. As in, whenever you rotate the neurocranium the occlusal plane changes relative to the horizon…

I had my teeth together all my life and was far from the best looking person in the room, let alone having normal facial development. Too many factors…

If you rotate your head clockwise your maxilla will be more CW rotated. Try it right now. I don’t know if molars can drop down but in my case i d…

@ezekielb sure

Also wanted to mention that I have probably not increased in IMW much because it seems most of my changes are from the maxilla getting longer from fro…

If you have Class 3 alignment, you need to focus on your head posture and rotate clockwise. You have to essentially hyper-rotate clockwise followed by…

I wanted to add: if your head posture is terrible, I would fix that before even worrying about teeth contact. If your neck is shortened or too elongat…

What’s the chance of a perfect occlusion? Slim in many Western countries. Even your teeth are “aligned” who is to say that your skull position can res…

Disagree, I have met lots of Romanians and lots of them have the short face overbite combo.

Yet the expansion devices they use do in fact touch teeth, so

Why touch teeth with a malocclusion?

@ar10 I have been chewing on all sides with all types of movement patterns. Forward, backward, clockwise, counterclockwise. But specifically I am expe…

Gorilla skull looks like heavy masseter usage though. Look at how long the maxilla is vertically.

@ar10I have an anterior open bite on my right side which is becoming less noticeable very slowly

This will happen. It’s been probably one of my biggest improvements.

I am planning on sharing. Keep in mind my changes won’t be anywhere near as impressive as @HelmutStrebl BUT I feel for where I started they have been …

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t heavy temporalis use lengthen the skull too?

It may help. Do you keep teeth together or apart?