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Basim RE: Crazy idea - How to breathe with recessed face.  

By Basim, 2 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  You cannot breathe properly and mew at the same time with a recessed face. As your airway too small and tongue being pushed into when you correct head posture and most likely have a vaulted palate as ...
bobmw64 Discomfort when the root of the tongue is strained  

By bobmw64, 4 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  I have noticed that when I do something more than soft mewing with my tongue (for example, I try to expand the tongue in all directions as much as possible, or raise the tongue as much as possible fro...
Meowxilla Crazy idea - How to breathe with recessed face.  

By Meowxilla, 4 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  When i mew with whole tongue i can't breathe. I just had an idea. What if i could insert a tube trough my nose trough which i can breath air. So my airway will be eventually pushed by tounge and i wo...
vplatt RE: Struggling to mew because of Psychological reasons  

By vplatt, 7 hours ago

Youth Case Discussions
  The myobrace is supposed to help with proper tongue position and maybe having a routine of wearing an appliance would override the impulse to not do it?
vplatt RE: does homeoblock expand the palate all the way to the molars?  

By vplatt, 7 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @skinny7 I agree with that. Also, the personality / service of the provider is important as @pizzaman500 mentioned. So far, I haven't figured out what to do for the TMD prior to palate expansion or if...
skinny7 RE: does homeoblock expand the palate all the way to the molars?  

By skinny7, 8 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @vplatt Regardless, I've been to a few of the top names for consulations. Guys/gals you see giving presentations and inventors of devices. I haven't gotten a consistent treatment plan. Bottom line is ...
Basim RE: NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By Basim, 9 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @wellwellwell I understand from that persecptive. But even then, people who got surgery and still got relapse is because of lacking tongue posture and but more importantly establishing the habit of na...
mattwhmparr RE: Apart from mewing, what other facial exercises are recommended to push forward the zygomatic arch (develop cheekbones)?  

By mattwhmparr, 9 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Basically the same like everyone else. Wash, tone, moisturize. But what I use for a long time is a set from my dermatologist. I used to break out a lot. And those were not just pimples but cystic acne...
CoolHotio RE: Alternative Dental Hygiene and Remineralizing Teeth  

By CoolHotio, 9 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  When I was young, I used a homemade paste made by my dentist. He never talked about its composition, which is sad, because I will never have such healthy teeth.
Wellwellwell RE: NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By Wellwellwell, 10 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Basically what you do here is take the result and turn it into the cause. People with bad development do not close their mouth properly (what you call "improper nasal breathing"). This is not a cause ...
vplatt RE: does myobrace move the mandible forward?  

By vplatt, 10 hours ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @cindystown thanks for sharing, that is helpful info. Especially because the provider quoted me 5K for the myobrace. I am emailing with Dr. Hang and he didn't specify which appliances but seemed to th...
vplatt RE: best course of treatment for multiple issues  

By vplatt, 10 hours ago

Adult Case Discussions
  @sunflower that is interesting, I've never considered consulting with an ENT. Sounds like good advice you got there. My TMD is also only on one side and it isn't bad, but really flared up when I atte...
Basim RE: NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By Basim, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @serbian No, it’s impossible to breathe through your mouth with your lips closed. I am referring to the mentalis muscle. That they are sealing their lips improperly because they are using the mentalis...
serbian RE: NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By serbian, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @basim Posted by: @crimsonchin I have a hard time believing mouth breathing is as prevalent as some people try and suggest; I've never had a problem breathing through my nose and that h...
Basim RE: NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By Basim, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @crimsonchin I have a hard time believing mouth breathing is as prevalent as some people try and suggest; I've never had a problem breathing through my nose and that hasn't changed in the ...
CrimsonChin RE: NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By CrimsonChin, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  I have a hard time believing mouth breathing is as prevalent as some people try and suggest; I've never had a problem breathing through my nose and that hasn't changed in the 5 years of various things...
Basim NASAL BREATHING IS THE ULTIMATE KEY TO MEWING (MUST READ)!!!!!  

By Basim, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Over the last few months, I have kept going back to myself of mewing and posture and it’s connection to the human body. But I have determined that NASAL BREATHING 24/7 SUBCONSCIOUSLY is the ultimate k...
Cindystown RE: does myobrace move the mandible forward?  

By Cindystown, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @vplatt I used it for six months and nothing changed, it felt like it’s about to give me tmj and it was frustrating sleeping with it, I’m considering buying a Schwartz or rme expander, the providers n...
sunflower RE: best course of treatment for multiple issues  

By sunflower, 1 day ago

Adult Case Discussions
  Yep, me, 37/f with most of those issues although no crossbite and TMD is minimal and only on one side. My back airway is good, but my IMW is 31 mm, my tongue doesn't fit in my palate, and CBCT indicat...
Wellwellwell RE: Fix high arch maxilla with TADs  

By Wellwellwell, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Attachment:Screenshot_20210428-184731.png Here is an example.
vplatt RE: does myobrace move the mandible forward?  

By vplatt, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @cindystown that is good to hear that it is a claim they make -- I couldn't even find that on the website. Maybe I didn't look enough. So are you using the myobrace now? is it the TMJ system?
vplatt RE: what about pillows and nighttime neck / spine posture  

By vplatt, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @skinny7 I tried that but on my mattress, woke up with pronounced undereye circles (and I did it experimentally, testing and then using a pillow). So it seems the blood / lymph isn't flowing well with...
AscendingHero RE: Mewing ruined my face - HELP  

By AscendingHero, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @str Bro I need wider set eyes, how did you do it? My eyes have grown closer to each other since the orthodontist extracted my teeth. Just have the orthodontist extract your premolars and see how your...
mysterecessed RE: Reversing extractions with invisalign alone  

By mysterecessed, 1 day ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @recessedjawline Hey, may I ask how your expansion is going? I'm thinking of using invisalign to expand my arch as well as to fix my open bite on my left side. I haven't seen an orthodontist though, j...
Cindystown RE: does myobrace move the mandible forward?  

By Cindystown, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  I would like to know as well.. on various websites and the brochure I received with it, it does say that it does correct both ways and that mandible follows as the maxilla widens, but I’ve gotten mixe...
skinny7 RE: My journey to widen my maxilla without a orthodontist  

By skinny7, 2 days ago

Adult Case Discussions
  Posted by: @danksch Since I'm also interested in Homeoblock treatment in Europe, I just contacted the clinic you mentioned (Lumi-Dent in Ukraine) regarding homeoblock treatment (it wasn't listed on t...
skinny7 RE: Negative consequences on forehead and chin from facemask back pressure  

By skinny7, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  I agree with the OP. The force is going to get transferred somewhere. I'd rather hook on to a big rubber band on something free standing than use a facemask.
skinny7 RE: what about pillows and nighttime neck / spine posture  

By skinny7, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @vplatt Personally I don't use a pillow back sleeping. It pushes my head farther forward. Sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night and if I'm too stiff I'll put it in the side, or if I'm lyin...
AscendingHero RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By AscendingHero, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @apollo really appreciate your insights and thoughts. Indeed I think I need the mid sutural split to make sure I get the most out of it. He's never done cortipunctures I think so a great idea to pote...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @ascendinghero Btw had a talk with my ortho. Nothing 100% certain yet but I'm probably able to get MSE with the Bow and 2 miniplates somewhere on the sides for extra pull force. He actuall...
Wellwellwell RE: Mewing ruined my face - HELP  

By Wellwellwell, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  In none of your photos is your head angled the same way. Angles make a huge huge difference in photos. I believe that just like in cases where people post great results from mewing nothing changed in ...
Wellwellwell Fix high arch maxilla with TADs  

By Wellwellwell, 2 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  What's your opinion on the use of tads to treat vertical maxillary excess (VME) also known as long vaulted palate. It seems like more and more orthodontists are doing it. E.g @drstuartfrost instagra...
Wellwellwell RE: 28 Y.O male and my journey trying to fix my very high narrow palate so far. Need advice from someone who is well read in the field. Is my only option surgery?  

By Wellwellwell, 2 days ago

Adult Case Discussions
  Have you taken a look at TADs to reduce the VME (Vertical Maxillary Excess)? The idea is to use the tads to push the whole dental arch upwards thus practically reducing the gummy smile. The results ar...
vplatt RE: 21 years old, genioplasty and rhinoplasty candidate  

By vplatt, 2 days ago

Adult Case Discussions
  @serbian I'm not really sure. Have you been able to consult with functional orthodontists for opinions (rather than only surgeons)?
EbalVrot RE: SLDA may change occlusal plane  

By EbalVrot, 3 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  What is SLDA?
AscendingHero RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By AscendingHero, 3 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @apollo I wouldn't know, maybe a bit of both. In any case everything in front of that gap, below the lefort cut, has to remodel to accomodate the protracted maxilla. Btw had a talk with my ortho. Not...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 3 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  An article called "Assessment of bone healing after Le Fort I osteotomy with 3-dimensional computed tomography" ( ) shows two class III cases immediately after LeFort I osteotomy and 1 year later: A...
serbian RE: 21 years old, genioplasty and rhinoplasty candidate  

By serbian, 3 days ago

Adult Case Discussions
  Posted by: @vplatt @serbian I'm new-ish at this but I thought part of the point of many of these appliances is to move the jaw forward? like the maxilla moves forward and mandible follows.. and what ...
vplatt RE: 21 years old, genioplasty and rhinoplasty candidate  

By vplatt, 3 days ago

Adult Case Discussions
  @serbian I'm new-ish at this but I thought part of the point of many of these appliances is to move the jaw forward? like the maxilla moves forward and mandible follows.. and what about MSE? is your p...
vplatt RE: does homeoblock expand the palate all the way to the molars?  

By vplatt, 3 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @pizzaman500 I agree -- I'm going to consult with some functional orthodontists. It is hard to know beforehand because people can be great at sales and not service! Just from hearing about teeth tippi...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 3 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Attachment:Facial Form.gif The Mews and others talk about the sphenoid reshaping and remodeling during gradual treatment with tongue posture and/or removable appliances, making it difficult to superi...
pizzaman500 RE: does homeoblock expand the palate all the way to the molars?  

By pizzaman500, 3 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @vplatt I have UARS so airway is my biggest concern, but aesthetics are important too. Finding a provider is a hit or miss. I used to think that the appliance was the most important part in expanding ...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 4 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Attachment:pterygopalatine suture.jpg This article ( ) describes the pattern of separation at the pterygopalatine suture from the MSE appliance: "With regard to the pterygopalatine suture split, 84 ...
serbian RE: 21 years old, genioplasty and rhinoplasty candidate  

By serbian, 4 days ago

Adult Case Discussions
  Thanks for all the answers. Despite the recessed jaw, it doesn't seem however my bite is wrong. Hence, there's no way jaw surgery could improve anything in my lower face. Or I am wrong? I'm only acqua...
Apollo RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By Apollo, 4 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @whyithink @ascendinghero Yeah it's nearly completely skeletal transverse expansion but I wasn't talking about that.I was trying to say any saggital movement from mse + facemask seems to c...
AscendingHero RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By AscendingHero, 4 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @whyithink Yes I know. I was talking about sagital movement too.
racingagainsttime RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By racingagainsttime, 4 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @ascendinghero Yeah it's nearly completely skeletal transverse expansion but I wasn't talking about that.I was trying to say any saggital movement from mse + facemask seems to come from dental movemen...
mr.mewing RE: MSE Providers In Europe - Any recommendations?  

By mr.mewing, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Netherlands (Geffen) friends4dents
bluraccoon RE: MSE Providers In Europe - Any recommendations?  

By bluraccoon, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  I'm wondering; are there any in Turkey? There must be.
AscendingHero RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By AscendingHero, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @whyithink Doesn't seem to be dental at all. If anything it seems to be the least dental out of all the appliance options for adults. The anchorage is actually in the pallette and they can even cute t...
Silver RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Silver, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @apollo Posted by: @silver Why are we so sure we can't achieve the same or better with a completely untethered tongue (like what zaghimd.com is doing in LA) and the MSE on its own? Sure...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @silver Why are we so sure we can't achieve the same or better with a completely untethered tongue (like what zaghimd.com is doing in LA) and the MSE on its own? Surely, if mewing works, a...
Silver RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Silver, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Why are we so sure we can't achieve the same or better with a completely untethered tongue (like what zaghimd.com is doing in LA) and the MSE on its own? Surely, if mewing works, and your tongue has i...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @ascendinghero @apollo Wow. Where do I sign up? Would be lovely to just be a recluse for 90 days and get those types of massive gains and forward growth. Lifechanging. You're talking abou...
racingagainsttime RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By racingagainsttime, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @ascendinghero I don't think MSE provides bone anchored protraction.If any protraction is gained it is probably nearly 100% dental not skeletal :/
AscendingHero RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By AscendingHero, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @mr_man I would rather do MSE+ a well anchored facemask for 20 hours a day with 2kg+ of force for 3 months to gain 3mm than gain 4mm with a lefort. The MSE+FM will probably pull your upper maxilla for...
AscendingHero RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By AscendingHero, 5 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @apollo Wow. Where do I sign up? Would be lovely to just be a recluse for 90 days and get those types of massive gains and forward growth. Lifechanging.
AscendingHero RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By AscendingHero, 6 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  @apollo Thanks for all the info. Looking forward to your end results.
theadonisking RE: It's been many years, as of 2021 what is currently the best ways to move maxilla forward?  

By theadonisking, 6 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @le_fort_or_bust Posted by: @mr-mewing how is it even possible that your upper jaw is so recessed and your mandible isn't? Are you referring to my scans? You will see that the gonial a...
Apollo RE: MSE Asymmetry and Protraction  

By Apollo, 6 days ago

Main Forum - Correction Methods
  Posted by: @ascendinghero @apollo That’s amazing, and you mentioned you were basically alternating between expanding/contracting with the MSE correct? I read a case study in which they were pretty su...
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