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What happend to Jamo/Neveragain??  

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Limbo6
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?? 

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Posted : 08/10/2019 11:34 am
Kyte
 Kyte
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1. He fooled us: because he was looking for attention/ making fun of the forum

2. He fooled himself: results were not so great as imagined

3. His result is really legit: - he thinks he shared enough

                                                 - doesn't want to share further for some reason

4. He has been told to not share further :  risk of being charged by someone that harmed himself or by a professional commitee of spreading misleading information

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Posted : 08/10/2019 11:53 am
EddieMoney
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Jamo got a pronounced overbite and wide masseters. He did shorten his face through chewing. No idea whether is midface ratio changed or remained static. He isn't so much a mewing success story as a chewing one, I guess. Who knows how his facial aesthetics were affected. 

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Posted : 09/11/2019 7:55 pm
Mangas77
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@EddieMoney, you say "he isn't so much a mewing success story as a chewing one". Do you know how long a day he was chewing ? I sometimes wonder whether chewing would not be underrated to achieve forward growth on this forum. I can't share, but I've seen impressive results on a Discord that have been attributed to chewing rather than mewing. Furthermore, a few studies show the impact of chewing on jaw and forward growth.

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Posted : 09/11/2019 11:16 pm
EddieMoney
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Posted by: @mangas77

@EddieMoney, you say "he isn't so much a mewing success story as a chewing one". Do you know how long a day he was chewing ? I sometimes wonder whether chewing would not be underrated to achieve forward growth on this forum. I can't share, but I've seen impressive results on a Discord that have been attributed to chewing rather than mewing. Furthermore, a few studies show the impact of chewing on jaw and forward growth.

Chewing seems to improve the profile as it seems people who overdo it drive their chin up and shorten their face. However chewing doesn't change your facial ratios where it matters. It gives you wide masseters and a shorter lower third. So if that's the look you're into, go for it. I have seen bruxism cases called "stunning" and "beautiful" by people obsessed with what I call "jaw porn". 

Personally I find that while excessive chewing can change your face significantly, changes are seldom aesthetic. People end up with compressed faces and blown out masseters which makes their faces look like boxes. Not an ideal look for me to be honest. Good looking people don't have any aspect of their face overdeveloped, but rather everything balanced. If the swollen masseters, short box faced look is what you're after, then go for it. Just be aware your jaw may sustain damage.

Mewing in combination with muscle activation in the face has helped me in so many ways. I don't chew but my jaw has gotten more prominent simply from better posture and soft tissue changes. Most people who see no Mewing progress are either doing it wrong, OR they don't understand how progress works and that mewing doesn't do what people claim it does. 

Chewing on the other hand does work in that it shortens the face vertically by deepening the anterior bite. The maxilla becomes more prominent while the mandible tucks itself underneath, leading to a short lower third and short ramus. I think Jamo said 2 hours a day at least? Good for his profile, but his actual face looked like a chipmunk afterwards IMO

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Posted : 10/11/2019 3:33 pm
Mangas77
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@EddieMoney, I understand your point. But I think that you tend to exaggerate and distort the effects of chewing on the jaw. Chewing rather seems to lengthen the lower third over the long term if done consistently. IMO chewing and mewing should go hand in hand. I've seen a whole lot of mewing/chewing transformations, and I do believe that chewing is the missing link of the "mewers" who aren't satisfied with their progress - essentially their jaw upswing. Here are a few studies that agree with my line.

A system efficient at producing force on the first molar (muscle and tooth) was statistically associated with facial development having a large intergonial width, forward maxilla, and forward mandible : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2603948

Trial experimentation on mastic gum on children with long face syndrome results yield an upswing and reduced lower facial height by anterior mandible rotation in 9/12 cases : https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/85222094.pdf

A consistent survey about the main interactions between muscle and bone formation : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3970293/

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Posted : 10/11/2019 5:08 pm
Pame
 Pame
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@EddieMoney Do you think this result from Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/dntz3i/this_is_my_2_year_journey_of_mewing_now_im_in/  

is also mainly a chewing result? Looks like his profile improved significantly, but his portrait perhaps not so much?

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Posted : 11/11/2019 4:33 am
EddieMoney
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Posted by: @mangas77

@EddieMoney, I understand your point. But I think that you tend to exaggerate and distort the effects of chewing on the jaw. Chewing rather seems to lengthen the lower third over the long term if done consistently. IMO chewing and mewing should go hand in hand. I've seen a whole lot of mewing/chewing transformations, and I do believe that chewing is the missing link of the "mewers" who aren't satisfied with their progress - essentially their jaw upswing. Here are a few studies that agree with my line.

A system efficient at producing force on the first molar (muscle and tooth) was statistically associated with facial development having a large intergonial width, forward maxilla, and forward mandible : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2603948

Trial experimentation on mastic gum on children with long face syndrome results yield an upswing and reduced lower facial height by anterior mandible rotation in 9/12 cases : https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/85222094.pdf

A consistent survey about the main interactions between muscle and bone formation : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3970293/

I bolded those to show the contradiction. I do agree that chewing can help swing the mandible up BUT at the expense of reduced lower facial height. I think what you are referring to is not a stronger lower third LENGTH, but more width. Which I agree does happen.

But if people are looking to improve their facial ratios, chewing won't do that one bit. Palate expansion on the other hand can affect those. And in turn palate expansion can make the face appear shorter through midface ratio shortening even if the lower facial height increases. 

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Posted : 11/11/2019 8:13 am
EddieMoney
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Posted by: @pame

@EddieMoney Do you think this result from Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/dntz3i/this_is_my_2_year_journey_of_mewing_now_im_in/  

is also mainly a chewing result? Looks like his profile improved significantly, but his portrait perhaps not so much?

I don't see this as just a chewing result. He didn't develop blown out masseters and his face seems to have lengthened. Except that the face photos are taken from a different head angle, where in the first he seems to have exaggerated a weak lower third by turning his head down, and in the second one he is turning his head up, which by default makes the lower third longer. 

Jamo on the other hand developed a Class 2 overbite where this dude seems like he maintained proper occlusion. That's because he doesn't have a sharp mentolabial fold indicative of a pronounced overbite (this also weakens the lower third). He also didn't develop the pouty upper lip that Jamo did. 

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Posted : 11/11/2019 8:19 am
harrykanemaxilla
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@EddieMoney what's your opinion on MSE?

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Posted : 11/11/2019 8:24 am