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What are the signs that the sutures are opening?  

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Sceriff
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Since I started thumbpulling and mewing upside down a few days ago, I have felt many creaks in all my face, including the occiput and sometimes the neck. The noise is pretty dull, not exactly a sharp crack, but I always hear them whenI mew upside down. What could these noises mean? How do I know if a suture is opening?

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Posted : 22/05/2019 6:31 pm
Roflcopters
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@scerif, may i ask.. Where are you from?

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Posted : 22/05/2019 7:06 pm
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If the sutures open, that also means that bones are shifting, and as the bones shift you will experience the exact symptoms that your are describing. The atlas/occiput bones specifically will start adjusting a lot more, and your back/pelvis will also start to mirror those adjustments. As above, so below, and vice versa. 

You may also notice popping from within the nasomaxillary complex. Sensations around the ear canals. Tooth soreness that resembles that of braces. Cool sensation of relief around your TMJ. 

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Posted : 22/05/2019 7:08 pm
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Posted by: TGW

If the sutures open, that also means that bones are shifting, and as the bones shift you will experience the exact symptoms that your are describing. The atlas/occiput bones specifically will start adjusting a lot more, and your back/pelvis will also start to mirror those adjustments. As above, so below, and vice versa. 

You may also notice popping from within the nasomaxillary complex. Sensations around the ear canals. Tooth soreness that resembles that of braces. Cool sensation of relief around your TMJ. 

All the symptoms you've described, I'm feeling them all! If remodeling is really happening, it's wonderful, since I'm about to turn 25. I'll keep you updated. 😆 

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Posted : 22/05/2019 7:20 pm
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Posted by: TGW

If the sutures open, that also means that bones are shifting, and as the bones shift you will experience the exact symptoms that your are describing. The atlas/occiput bones specifically will start adjusting a lot more, and your back/pelvis will also start to mirror those adjustments. As above, so below, and vice versa. 

You may also notice popping from within the nasomaxillary complex. Sensations around the ear canals. Tooth soreness that resembles that of braces. Cool sensation of relief around your TMJ. 

@admin Do you still hear clicking noises when pushing hard with your tongue? I frequently hear these subtle clicking noises when pushing my tongue hard up on my palate, I've also hard a slighty louder cracking noise in my temporal or perhaps sphenoid bone. Im just not sure if they are necessarily a sign of anything meaningful other than pressure being applied to the maxilla.

 

Also, I often experience that applying pressure with the tongue results in pleasurable, calming sensations around my forehead and top parts of my skull e.g temporal bone area. Sometimes it even feels very good, like a relieving massage. I've heard of others reporting the same thing and wonder if this could be a sign of progress? If you're doing something very good for your body it would make sense that the body signals this my making it feel good. It does however vary a lot how intense these pleasurable feelings are despite my tongue posture staying the same.

 

Btw how long have you been at it? @scerif

 
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Posted : 23/05/2019 8:20 am
Oatmeal
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Never felt any of this, might coorelate with my lack of progress

ah well

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Posted : 23/05/2019 9:04 am
elevee
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@oatmeal, check out greensmoothies' recent posts on thumb pulling and upside down mewing--they are very informative and might help.

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Posted : 23/05/2019 9:13 am
mr.mewing
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is it also when i mewed for a long time my whole jaw feels kind of sore when i realise my tongue for eating or talking

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Posted : 23/05/2019 11:14 am
Sceriff
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Posted by: Pame

@admin Do you still hear clicking noises when pushing hard with your tongue? I frequently hear these subtle clicking noises when pushing my tongue hard up on my palate, I've also hard a slighty louder cracking noise in my temporal or perhaps sphenoid bone. Im just not sure if they are necessarily a sign of anything meaningful other than pressure being applied to the maxilla.

 

Also, I often experience that applying pressure with the tongue results in pleasurable, calming sensations around my forehead and top parts of my skull e.g temporal bone area. Sometimes it even feels very good, like a relieving massage. I've heard of others reporting the same thing and wonder if this could be a sign of progress? If you're doing something very good for your body it would make sense that the body signals this my making it feel good. It does however vary a lot how intense these pleasurable feelings are despite my tongue posture staying the same.

 

Btw how long have you been at it? @scerif

 

From the first time I mewed upside down for 10 consecutive minutes, I started to feel these cracks in my face. Since then I hear them often when I move my head. Yesterday while I was drinking, I felt a strong enough pressure on my forehead and crown. 

 

 
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Posted : 23/05/2019 11:15 am
mr.mewing
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Posted by: Pame

@admin Do you still hear clicking noises when pushing hard with your tongue? I frequently hear these subtle clicking noises when pushing my tongue hard up on my palate, I've also hard a slighty louder cracking noise in my temporal or perhaps sphenoid bone. Im just not sure if they are necessarily a sign of anything meaningful other than pressure being applied to the maxilla.

 

Also, I often experience that applying pressure with the tongue results in pleasurable, calming sensations around my forehead and top parts of my skull e.g temporal bone area. Sometimes it even feels very good, like a relieving massage. I've heard of others reporting the same thing and wonder if this could be a sign of progress? If you're doing something very good for your body it would make sense that the body signals this my making it feel good. It does however vary a lot how intense these pleasurable feelings are despite my tongue posture staying the same.

 

Btw how long have you been at it? @scerif

 

From the first time I mewed upside down for 10 consecutive minutes, I started to feel these cracks in my face. Since then I hear them often when I move my head. Yesterday while I was drinking, I felt a strong enough pressure on my forehead and crown. 

 

 

why do you mew upside down?

 
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Posted : 23/05/2019 11:18 am
Sceriff
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Posted by: mr.mewing
why do you mew upside down?
 

Because I was inspired by a @greensmoothies's post, in which he said mewing upside down exerted more pressure on the bones, and in fact I hear those creaks of which I have spoken.

 
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Posted : 23/05/2019 6:48 pm
mr.mewing
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Posted by: scerif
Posted by: mr.mewing
why do you mew upside down?
 

Because I was inspired by a @greensmoothies's post, in which he said mewing upside down exerted more pressure on the bones, and in fact I hear those creaks of which I have spoken.

 

This can be correct when lay down in bed with my head accros the bed over the floor with my eyes to the ground i can defenly feel bettet pressure but do you do it with you whole head upside down or just eyes to the floor

 
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Posted : 24/05/2019 1:41 am
Sceriff
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Posted by: mr.mewing
 

This can be correct when lay down in bed with my head accros the bed over the floor with my eyes to the ground i can defenly feel bettet pressure but do you do it with you whole head upside down or just eyes to the floor

 

Exactly, lying on the bed and eyes to the floor, and sometimes by sitting I put my head between my legs. 

 

 
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Posted : 24/05/2019 6:58 am
mr.mewing
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Btw can you send my the link to greensmoothies topic about this?

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Posted : 24/05/2019 1:18 pm
Progress
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To those who have experienced sutural shifts: have you also noticed electrical shivers all over your scalp? This started happening to me recently and I'm not sure what to make of it.

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Posted : 24/05/2019 3:46 pm
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To those who have experienced sutural shifts: have you also noticed electrical shivers all over your scalp? This started happening to me recently and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Like a cold tingling yes. In other parts of the body as well. Can intensify spontaneously into a feeling of intensly cold relief across an entire area. 

You know the feeling of flipping to the cool side of the pillow? Like that, but across an interior section of your body. 

Precedes, follows, or happens alongside adjustments occurring.

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Posted : 24/05/2019 4:53 pm
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Posted by: TGW
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To those who have experienced sutural shifts: have you also noticed electrical shivers all over your scalp? This started happening to me recently and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Like a cold tingling yes. In other parts of the body as well. Can intensify spontaneously into a feeling of intensly cold relief across an entire area. 

You know the feeling of flipping to the cool side of the pillow? Like that, but across an interior section of your body. 

Precedes, follows, or happens alongside adjustments occurring.

I wonder if these waves of tingling could be viewed as a rehabilitation process for the nervous system. The nervous system being a bioelectric circuit, improving posture and structure likely opens up previously restricted channels of the circuit, allowing the impulses within it to finally travel and express themselves as they are meant to, until eventually a new bioelectric homeostasis is achieved. This brings to my mind the Chinese concept of life force Qi, which to my understanding refers precisely to the electric potential of the nervous system. Yin would be the cooling and nourishing half of Qi, making it possibly responsible for these sensations.

 
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Posted : 24/05/2019 5:34 pm
elevee
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Yes, that cool flood can happen during craniosacral therapy, neuromuscular therapy and similar treatments. It's basically your nerves, which have been kind of inactive and dry, being flooded with circulation and sensation. Tight, crooked skeletons make for compressed nerves, and when you release the pressure they wake up in a big way.

Lately I've been able to apply firm pressure to the anterior palate while keeping the back tongue up for the first time, and I find that it produces a tightness, almost like pressure or stinging, in the muscles around the eyes. It's kind of intense and feels almost like light sensitivity. Is anyone familiar?

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Posted : 24/05/2019 9:54 pm
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Yes, that cool flood can happen during craniosacral therapy, neuromuscular therapy and similar treatments. It's basically your nerves, which have been kind of inactive and dry, being flooded with circulation and sensation. Tight, crooked skeletons make for compressed nerves, and when you release the pressure they wake up in a big way.

Lately I've been able to apply firm pressure to the anterior palate while keeping the back tongue up for the first time, and I find that it produces a tightness, almost like pressure or stinging, in the muscles around the eyes. It's kind of intense and feels almost like light sensitivity. Is anyone familiar?

I haven't experienced that, but @achilles1 mentioned it at one point.

 
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Posted : 25/05/2019 7:18 am
mr.mewing
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And what if you feel nothing special?

I feel after a long time mewing my whole jaw is sore when I released my tongue and start to eat food.

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Posted : 25/05/2019 3:11 pm
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When I first started, after about 2 weeks of hard tongue chewing alternating with suction-holds, I started to feel pressure building around my mid-palatal suture.

I kept going and over the next week or so, I experienced ~3 LOUD pops/snaps in my mid-palatal suture.

Each pop was followed by a feeling of warm fluid rushing and flowing through my skull, and absolute ecstasy for the next ~15 minutes.

If any of you have had any mystical experiences before... the ecstasy I was catapulted into reminded me of that.

I have experienced relatively quiet creaks and crackles since, but nothing like those first pops. I miss it.

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Posted : 24/06/2019 8:11 am
GreekGodBrody
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Is one supposed to have this effects from regular mewing, too? Or just from thumbpulling?

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Posted : 24/06/2019 8:49 am
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Is one supposed to have this effects from regular mewing, too? Or just from thumbpulling?

I don't think just holding correct tongue posture will do it. Hard tongue chewing was needed for me.

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Posted : 24/06/2019 9:01 am
Pame
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@ray135 Could you describe how you tongue chew, and for how long approximately? Also, when you push the piece of gum up on the roof with your tongue, do you use the exact same muscles you use when lifting up the tongue to the palate?

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Posted : 24/06/2019 4:52 pm
Sceriff
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Since the last time I posted here I have not done thumbpulling anymore, but still feel light pops in my skull/face occasionally. 

But I wonder if these pops actually correspond to bone remodeling or come from something else. This was the question that this thread wanted to address. 

 

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Posted : 24/06/2019 5:08 pm
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@Pame I usually don't even use gum frankly. But I do the same motion. 

I don't use my musculature in the same way that I do when I hold a postural suction-hold. I kind of do "hard mewing in motion." I use a lot of force but try to focus the force onto only the very middle of my tongue, to avoid putting force on teeth. Ok, so I will start with a resting tongue posture, drive the force up into the centre of the back-middle-ish of my hard palate, then sliiiide that force about an inch forward into the front ridges (making sure not to put force on teeth), then slide it back again. Strong the whole way through. Repeat.

I alternate that with a postural suck-hold. The strongest suction I can get. Strong suction is what ultimately gave me my first big snap, IIRC. I cannot get a good suck-hold without letting the tip of my tongue curl over and go behind my bottom incisors, so I do that, in order to really get that powerhouse posterior third up and out of my throat.

For both of these exercises, the better the head posture, the better, of course.

I would do probably 1-2 hours of tongue chewing a day, maybe 30 minutes of it was this "hard tongue chewing." Then as much suction as I can manage outside of that.

As a kid, did you ever try to snap off a branch from a tree that was still alive? It takes alternating forces back and forth before eventually, it is ready to give.

After a couple of weeks, I could feel pressure or something... like something was going to snap. I had some anxiety to keep applying force the first time because it really felt like something was going to snap, though it wasn't hurting. Then there was the big snap, and a rush of cerebrospinal fluid (?) and good feels. 

It's worth mentioning that I was consuming a lot of marijuana at that time. I was probably high when it first snapped. I've seen a couple other users here post about what seems to be a mysterious link between marijuana and changes happening. I think there is something there... but at the very least, whenever I smoke marijuana, I am more conscious of my posture and duty to mew, and feel a big motivation to start doing some tongue chewing.

I'm considering getting an acrylic expander just because I know my mid-palatal suture has been disarticulated, and I imagine I wouldn't have problems with teeth tipping as a result.

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Posted : 24/06/2019 5:22 pm
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@ray135 Very interesting. I've personally experienced face redness around my zygos after starting mewing, which I've heard can be a sign of remodeling. I also sometimes experience very pleasant feelings in my skull/around forehead from applying pressure with tongue. Really interested to see what the future will bring. 

 

Have you noticed any functional or aesthetic benefits thus far?

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Posted : 25/06/2019 7:13 am
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@Pame Nice. I often feel sensations in my forehead and around my nose, from suction holds. Kind of like it is being pulled down, and like I can actually feel my elongated face being pulled together and compacted. Depending how much work I put in in the day or 2, I sometimes can even feel this sensation of pulling down and compressing on the top of my skull too. A few times it has been uncomfortable or triggered a headache, and I had to drop my tongue for the rest of the day to rest.

Yes, the skin in the centre of my palate at the point where the soft palate meets the hard palate has split to accommodate expansion. It happened maybe 3-4 months into my mewing. The split revealed this new, supersmooth skin underneath. Now that the two sides have spread progressively further over the past couple months, the split crevice and different skin textures are starting to level out. But I can still feel it with my tongue and gauge how much expansion I've had there. And my upper arch is visibly less crowded, and I can floss and clean both of my arches much more easily now. I tipped my molars a bit which I am happy about because it also improved tongue space.

It's worth noting that I did a few NCR inflations to myself, about 3-4 months in. I haven't done them since because my intuition tells me that if I am already effecting enough change in my structure to feel it through my skull and even have to rest my tongue posture out of skull discomfort/pain/headache, I don't yet need another NCR inflation. But I probably will again soon.  I also do occasional gentle meditative facepulling with a rolled up towel, playing with angles each session and focusing on getting an "unlocking" feeling. But mostly mewing and hard mewing.

Though I wasn't tongue tied before, stretching the frenulum diligently has allowed me to now directly apply "hard mewing" force onto the bits of the sphenoid bone you feel behind your upper molars/wisdom teeth.

Brow and eye support have improved the most - some change to jaw too. I've been at it ~5-6 months now.

Getting easier to hold posture throughout day now. Nose breathing much better. Women are giving me way more attention, I think mostly because of posture (abs walk) and them picking up on my increased mindfulness from doing that. 

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Posted : 25/06/2019 1:59 pm
openbytes17
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I also get the popping sensations im in my mid 20s too. Another sensation I feel is a ticklish feeling on my forehead and cheekbones

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Posted : 25/06/2019 2:55 pm
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Posted by: Ray135

@Pame Nice. I often feel sensations in my forehead and around my nose, from suction holds. Kind of like it is being pulled down, and like I can actually feel my elongated face being pulled together and compacted. 

You can create this pull down effect by contraction of facial muscles around the nose when Mewing. The depressor septi and levator labii superioris at a guess. Squeezing the maxilla out between that downward action and the upward action of the tongue. Good for clicks every now and then.

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Posted : 25/06/2019 3:16 pm