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Mewing ruined my face - HELP

cristiang09_
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Hi everyone, my name is Cristian and I'm typing from Italy, so I hope you will forgive me for my non perfect english. 

I started mewing about one month ago but I stopped after a week because I started noticing bad results. First of all I have to say that I already had good bone structure. People always told me that I am a very good-looking guy but I found out mewing on the internet and I decided to try. 

As I said before, i stopped mewing after a week and that's why: on the first days I found difficult to set my whole tongue on my palate, but after some days of attempting I managed to put my whole tongue on the palate. Now I don't know if:

- I put too much pressure

- I focused on pushing upwards instead of pushing upwards and forward

- In the attempt to put my posterior third of the tongue on the palate, I unfortunately pushed backwards (even though I don't think it is possibile to push backwards)

But the result is that previously I had a very dominant and wide jawline, while now I can see my face a bit shorter and most importantly I see my jaw like if it went a bit backwards inside my head, while mewing should push your face and jaw forwards. 

I see everyone on the internet talking about good results and showing their face improvements while mewing gave me the opposite effects. I'm starting to think that there was no reason to mew if I already had a good jaw. Now I'm scared to keep mewing and don't know what to do.. I just want to go back. Did anyone have the same problems? 

Hope somebody will help me, I will post pictures of my face if you need. Thanks

 

p.s. I'm 20 years old

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Topic starter Posted : 09/02/2021 10:40 am
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Progress
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There's an increasing amount of anecdotal evidence suggesting that pushing upwards with the posterior tongue is harmful (@auxiliarus had something similar happen to him, hopefully he can explain what he has been doing to reverse this). It's better to just maintain intra-oral vacuum by suctioning your lips/cheeks against your teeth, which should have the natural consequence of raising your tongue to the roof of your mouth. The resulting force should be pulling your posterior palate back down over time, so that your mandible will be less "inside your head", as you put it. 

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Posted : 09/02/2021 1:00 pm
cristiang09_
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@progress Thanks a lot, your response was really helpful 😀 

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Topic starter Posted : 09/02/2021 3:05 pm
TheBeastPanda
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@progress What effect does pushing the tongue up have? How does it effect the mandible?

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Posted : 09/02/2021 4:22 pm
cristiang09_
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@thebeastpanda from my experience i can tell you that it's like your mandible goes up through your skull making it appear less prominent. For example i see now my ramus length shorter

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Topic starter Posted : 09/02/2021 5:18 pm
cristiang09_
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Edit - I noticed that all the effects I described reassume in high arched palate, which mewing gave me. It is incredible that this just happened in one week! I think that's beacuse I put too much pressure upwards trying to stuck my tongue on the palate. The problem is that everyone says the most important part of mewing is placing correctly your posterior tongue. Now I'm afraid that if I keep mewing it will only get worse. Now it's not even about appeareance, I just want to have proper oral posture. Should I simply gently rest my tongue on the roof of my mouth or do you think it will cause more damage? Shouldn't mewing move forward your maxilla instead of pushing upwards your palate??

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Topic starter Posted : 10/02/2021 5:03 am
ThaGangsta
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Posted by: @cristiang09_

Hi everyone, my name is Cristian and I'm typing from Italy, so I hope you will forgive me for my non perfect english. 

I started mewing about one month ago but I stopped after a week because I started noticing bad results. First of all I have to say that I already had good bone structure. People always told me that I am a very good-looking guy but I found out mewing on the internet and I decided to try. 

As I said before, i stopped mewing after a week and that's why: on the first days I found difficult to set my whole tongue on my palate, but after some days of attempting I managed to put my whole tongue on the palate. Now I don't know if:

- I put too much pressure

- I focused on pushing upwards instead of pushing upwards and forward

- In the attempt to put my posterior third of the tongue on the palate, I unfortunately pushed backwards (even though I don't think it is possibile to push backwards)

But the result is that previously I had a very dominant and wide jawline, while now I can see my face a bit shorter and most importantly I see my jaw like if it went a bit backwards inside my head, while mewing should push your face and jaw forwards. 

I see everyone on the internet talking about good results and showing their face improvements while mewing gave me the opposite effects. I'm starting to think that there was no reason to mew if I already had a good jaw. Now I'm scared to keep mewing and don't know what to do.. I just want to go back. Did anyone have the same problems? 

Hope somebody will help me, I will post pictures of my face if you need. Thanks

 

p.s. I'm 20 years old

I am very sorry to hear about your experience Cristian.  I think I agree that too much pushing of the posterior tongue upward much more than the anterior tongue can cause clockwise rotation and problems.  You definitely aren't the first person that this has happened to as has been mentioned here.  I have a few questions for you if you don't mind:

Did you see any changes to your cheekbones, under eye area, and eye shape?

Did your nose shape change?

Did your chin shape and size change?

Was this "hard mewing" where you pushed with a lot of force?

If you can post pictures that can definitely be helpful too, preferably of one before trying mewing and a similar one of after.

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Posted : 10/02/2021 11:43 pm
Roflcopters
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You re already stressed and full of anxiety, yep..

John Mew is an idiot for promoting this kind of stuff without further thought.

Hard mewing creates:

. unhealthy breathing patterns(upper back breathing), which actually shrinks the front of your palate;

. Goes against the whole "function premise" because it also messes with your overall body posture, especially cervical and lower abdominal muscles, as you stop using diafragm muscles to breathe;

. Causes pathologies such as restless tongue which Boost your cortisol levels, anxiety, potential periodontal disease due to too much tongue use and more TMJ.

.and other problems aswell, Im lacking on time right now

My advice:

Stop thinking about mewing.

Go for a run.

Do some Basic stretching when you get home.

After that, lay down on the ground, close your eyes and relax. Do not think about mewing here and just fking breathe.

When you feel like youre sinking into the ground try and see where your tongue is at.

Than just mimic that.

IF youre tongue wants to Touch your upper or bottom teeth lightly, let it do so.

A gentle and effortless lip Seal is the most important thing.

IF you want to Boost your results, deadlift.

 

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Posted : 11/02/2021 8:21 am
cristiang09_
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Posted by: @mafiagang
Posted by: @cristiang09_

Hi everyone, my name is Cristian and I'm typing from Italy, so I hope you will forgive me for my non perfect english. 

I started mewing about one month ago but I stopped after a week because I started noticing bad results. First of all I have to say that I already had good bone structure. People always told me that I am a very good-looking guy but I found out mewing on the internet and I decided to try. 

As I said before, i stopped mewing after a week and that's why: on the first days I found difficult to set my whole tongue on my palate, but after some days of attempting I managed to put my whole tongue on the palate. Now I don't know if:

- I put too much pressure

- I focused on pushing upwards instead of pushing upwards and forward

- In the attempt to put my posterior third of the tongue on the palate, I unfortunately pushed backwards (even though I don't think it is possibile to push backwards)

But the result is that previously I had a very dominant and wide jawline, while now I can see my face a bit shorter and most importantly I see my jaw like if it went a bit backwards inside my head, while mewing should push your face and jaw forwards. 

I see everyone on the internet talking about good results and showing their face improvements while mewing gave me the opposite effects. I'm starting to think that there was no reason to mew if I already had a good jaw. Now I'm scared to keep mewing and don't know what to do.. I just want to go back. Did anyone have the same problems? 

Hope somebody will help me, I will post pictures of my face if you need. Thanks

 

p.s. I'm 20 years old

I am very sorry to hear about your experience Cristian.  I think I agree that too much pushing of the posterior tongue upward much more than the anterior tongue can cause clockwise rotation and problems.  You definitely aren't the first person that this has happened to as has been mentioned here.  I have a few questions for you if you don't mind:

Did you see any changes to your cheekbones, under eye area, and eye shape?

Did your nose shape change?

Did your chin shape and size change?

Was this "hard mewing" where you pushed with a lot of force?

If you can post pictures that can definitely be helpful too, preferably of one before trying mewing and a similar one of after.

To be honest the only positive change is that now my cheekbones appear a bit more prominent and defined. That clockwise rotation that you mentioned surely happened. No nose shape changes or eyes shape changes to be mentioned. On the other side, my chin looks now a bit "weaker" and maybe a bit shorter. Anyway I'm not talking about huge changes since I stopped just after one week, but when I look my self in the mirror I can say I looked better before. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EVERYBODY NOT TO TRY HARD MEWING. Just keep good oral posture

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Topic starter Posted : 11/02/2021 10:13 am
cristiang09_
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Posted by: @roflcopters

You re already stressed and full of anxiety, yep..

John Mew is an idiot for promoting this kind of stuff without further thought.

Hard mewing creates:

. unhealthy breathing patterns(upper back breathing), which actually shrinks the front of your palate;

. Goes against the whole "function premise" because it also messes with your overall body posture, especially cervical and lower abdominal muscles, as you stop using diafragm muscles to breathe;

. Causes pathologies such as restless tongue which Boost your cortisol levels, anxiety, potential periodontal disease due to too much tongue use and more TMJ.

.and other problems aswell, Im lacking on time right now

My advice:

Stop thinking about mewing.

Go for a run.

Do some Basic stretching when you get home.

After that, lay down on the ground, close your eyes and relax. Do not think about mewing here and just fking breathe.

When you feel like youre sinking into the ground try and see where your tongue is at.

Than just mimic that.

IF youre tongue wants to Touch your upper or bottom teeth lightly, let it do so.

A gentle and effortless lip Seal is the most important thing.

IF you want to Boost your results, deadlift.

 

Thanks for the support. I used to deadlift hard but covid got my gym closed 🤣 👍 . I totally agree that spreading this mewing culture by Dr Mew without proper studies or furher information can be very harmful for people who are not conscious of what they're doing.

Anyway since you say I'm not the first person to report those issues, do you guys have some advice to reverse the changes I mentioned?  I mean, to reverse the maxillar rotation and bring the palate down.

Maybe someone who did my same mistakes found a solution

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Topic starter Posted : 11/02/2021 10:18 am
ThaGangsta
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@roflcopters

John Mew is very vocally against hard mewing.  He always pushes very light action over a long period of time as his entire point is mild postural action and I too think this is optimal.  I am not sure where hard mewing originated but I am mostly against it because of the reasons you said.  Excess focus on the back of the tongue can even cause Vagus nerve dysfunction and keep the body in a overly stimulated/stressed state.

 

@cristiang09_

The back of the palate is very thin and porus and hence very modifiable, the issue arises with too much force back there relative to the front.  That can cause the CW rotation effect which is undesirable for many cases. 

 

 

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Posted : 11/02/2021 4:15 pm
Roflcopters
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Posted by: @mafiagang

@roflcopters

John Mew is very vocally against hard mewing.  He always pushes very light action over a long period of time as his entire point is mild postural action and I too think this is optimal.  I am not sure where hard mewing originated but I am mostly against it because of the reasons you said.  Excess focus on the back of the tongue can even cause Vagus nerve dysfunction and keep the body in a overly stimulated/stressed state.

 

@cristiang09_

The back of the palate is very thin and porus and hence very modifiable, the issue arises with too much force back there relative to the front.  That can cause the CW rotation effect which is undesirable for many cases. 

 

 

Well i havent been following his latest posts and whatnot for a good while now but he probably should make a statement about hard mewing, hes in touch with this forums owner and you see it being pushed alot here. I would.

I didnt know about that vagus nerve.

Also..

Even light to moderate force mewing has to be paid attention to in a conservative way.

The worst thing i did as a guy with a crossbite, maxillary cant and TMJ was focusing on mewing too much.

People even develop tongue thrusts without noticing.

Mewing is pointless without proper posture and diaphgram breathing.

If One is too underdeveloped to "Mew", one should ONLY focus on running, weight lifting, stretching and breathing alot. Because this usually is the underlying cause. Sedentarism, bad diets and no light chewing.

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Posted : 11/02/2021 7:49 pm
cristiang09_
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Here' some photos for you guys! Ik it's different lighting condition but I think you can see the difference. I didn't find some good profile photos to show you so I tried to draw the difference. As you can see my face looks now shorter and my jaw looks recessed! I used to have well developed square jaw while now it's like mewing gave me problems that mewing should solve. The explenation I gave myself is that my maxilla got a CW rotation. That would explain: the shorter lenght of my face, the recessed jaw, and the weaker chin. Idk if it's beacuse I put too much pressure on my palate or because I activated for the first time muscles that I never used before. I think you guys can now understand me when I say that my mandible is "more inside the skull". The fact that this happened in one week really blows my mind! 

How can I get to the point I was before I started mewing?

 

p.s. Yes my face is a bit asymmetrical (my right ramus length has always been longer that the left one)

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Topic starter Posted : 13/02/2021 5:40 am
ThaGangsta
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@cristiang09_

I see what you mean there is a subtly visible change.  The back part of the palate is very flexible and thin bone-wise so you definitely might see changes faster there as in your case.  "Hard mewing" with the posterior third of the tongue will lead to the clockwise rotation where your ramus will sit higher from overclosure of the mandible and because the front part of the maxilla has not kept up or exceeded the back part, it will sit lower.  In my view, focus more on the front part of the palate if you can and this should be done in a gentle postural way.  The use of upward force is a common mistake many people coming into this make and all it does its jam the maxilla up against the remainder of the bones, warps it in an undesirable manner, and creates all kinds of cranial strains.  Thank you for sharing your experience here.

This should be a cautionary warning against "hard mewing" for all, mewing is a postural position that you naturally take, not a resistance training exercise.  I can understand why many push hard, it is simply due to determination they have for changing their face, especially in today's world.  I encourage you to use that determination to instead make sure that your oral and body posture are optimal, instead of using force, as after all we are all only given one skull.  No amount of force will bring you faster results because the action of bone cells in adaptation with proper mewing is very slow.  You can push and pull as hard as you'd like but it simply won't help.  The goal is not to jam the maxilla against the skull by pushing hard on it, it is to gently change its shape and position with mild forces over a long period of time.  Hard forces will lead to strains, compensations, tooth intrusions, and internal thickening making it even harder to change.  You can definitely move bone with hard forces, but you won't change its shape into a more optimal one.  I understand that things like MSE use a lot of heavy forces, and they can be useful in certain cases, especially where there is a functional nasal airway concern that need a more immediate resolution.  

The only "hard" things in this process should be brief chewing (if you need to build up resting muscle tone and provided you don't have any TMJ symptoms), the intermittent force from swallowing which may help in the process, and your willpower to create change.  

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Posted : 13/02/2021 2:54 pm
cristiang09_
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@mafiagang yeah the photos might give you an idea of what I'm saying but I assure you that in real life the changes are even more evident than that. Anyway, these days I'v been resting just the anterior part of my tongue on the roof of my mouth, trying to make some oral vacuum as suggested by @Progress and I can definetely feel that my palate is slowly going back down, but I still don't see relevant improvements on my external appereance (mandible and ramus length in particular). I'm still trying to figure out how to put my mandible right where it was before, my fear is that in one week I did some irreversible changes. I will keep you updated

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Topic starter Posted : 13/02/2021 3:33 pm
drunkwithcoffee
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I think it's highly unlikely you actually caused any meaningful change in 1 month - good or bad.  The "differences" you're seeing in those pictures are easily attributable to a difference in lighting.  Even then I don't notice any differences from a casual observer's perspective.

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Posted : 13/02/2021 4:29 pm
cristiang09_
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Posted by: @drunkwithcoffee

I think it's highly unlikely you actually caused any meaningful change in 1 month - good or bad.  The "differences" you're seeing in those pictures are easily attributable to a difference in lighting.  Even then I don't notice any differences from a casual observer's perspective.

I know myself, I see myself everyday in the mirror and if I'm saying that my face has changed it's beacuse it's true. My jawline looked better before. I've previously said that I'm not talking about HUGE differences and as you say, I really hope that I've not permanentely changed my face in a short amount of time.I will try to find better pictures of my face, anyway my drawing explains exactly what I'm saying. I wrote in this forum to figure out what happened to me and also to warm people about risks and inconveniences of mewing. That's not a joke and we're not orthodontists, if you do something wrong it can really ruin your face

 

EDIT - some minutes ago I tried to touch my teeth and I found that if before my "teeth line" was kinda straight from incisors to molars, i now feel that it's slightly curving upwards in the molar region. I'm now pretty sure about what happened: I pushed upwards the back of my maxilla and my mandible followed. I definetely focused too much on pushing upwards with my posterior tongue, (maybe my maxilla bone is more sensible than the average, idk). The point is that altough I feel my palate going back down over days, I don't see external changes: but how could I? I pushed a bone upwards, and if it's easy to apply a pushing force with your tongue, i really can't figure out how to pull it down. My face had previously a pretty good and healthy structure, while now my maxilla is reshaped in an unnatural way.

I feel really bad guys.

I don't know if I should see a doctor, as I said I'm 20, I'm not economically autonomous and I feel like a complete idiot telling my parents that I ruined my face doing something called mewing that I found on the internet. Some time ago I tried to pull down my mandible using my SCM, after that I feel like my face is stretching, but I think over time it might lead to TMJ problems. Where should I rest my tongue now? Does someone know how to apply pulling forces on the back of the maxilla? 

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Topic starter Posted : 14/02/2021 4:44 am
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GalacticPilot
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Hi, I'm new here. I solely made an account on this website just to comment on this post, but I have known about Orthotropics for over 10 years, but I am by no means an expert - I watch videos here and there casually and try to maintain proper tongue and body posture myself. But one thing I notice is you posted two frontal pictures of your face, but no side/profile pictures to get a better view of the jawline. I'm not trying to say what you are saying is not true but rather, offer a different perspective.

I notice in the first picture you also seem to be leaner as in lower body fat percentage; in the second picture you seem "puffier"? perhaps due to weight gain or lack of sleep, stress, water retention due to certain foods, and even alcohol drinking, etc. Do you think that, perhaps, since you are more aware of facial imbalances, that now you may have noticed something about your face that was already there before? due to being more exposed to "perfect" jawline photos and comparing oneself to them. Anyway, I'm not an expert. I just thought I give my thoughts to this after seeing the photographs.

Also, sometimes I have this problem where I myself will "notice" something different about my face, or other things in general, and start to worry that I may have done something to "change" it but in reality, may have been like that the whole time. I attribute this to anxiety/worrying too much. I found this post from a link on Reddit, perhaps they can also offer some advice about this. I myself don't really notice any difference between the photographs but in the second one you seem to be a little more "puffy" around the face.

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Posted : 14/02/2021 3:22 pm
cristiang09_
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@galacticpilot thanks for your support but guys I assure you that my jawline got worse. You have to believe me. It’s not just my perception, and I didn’t gain weight either. I will soon try to post better pictures where you can see the difference but I would appreciate it more if you gave me practical advices on how to reverse the changes I described

 

What about the link you found on Reddit?

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Topic starter Posted : 14/02/2021 3:35 pm
GalacticPilot
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@cristiang09_ Hi, Cristian

I found this post from a link on Reddit from the Orthotropics community there. Someone linked this post there, perhaps you should check it out. maybe they can offer some advice if indeed you changed something, but it is hard to tell just from those two frontal pictures.

Here is the link by the way:

https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/lj9hrv/hard_mewing_should_be_avoided/?%24deep_link=true&correlation_id=fa9bab57-9cd7-4d70-a703-6d98da3339f1&post_fullname=t3_lj9hrv&post_index=1&ref=email_digest&ref_campaign=email_digest&ref_source=email&utm_content=post_title&%243p=e_as&%24original_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Forthotropics%2Fcomments%2Flj9hrv%2Fhard_mewing_should_be_avoided%2F%3F%24deep_link%3Dtrue%26correlation_id%3Dfa9bab57-9cd7-4d70-a703-6d98da3339f1%26post_fullname%3Dt3_lj9hrv%26post_index%3D1%26ref%3Demail_digest%26ref_campaign%3Demail_digest%26ref_source%3Demail%26utm_content%3Dpost_title&_branch_match_id=732793636182125091

 

And perhaps you should get a second opinion from a real specialist/doctor, someone who is knowledgeable about facial imbalance and proper tongue and head postures if you feel you did really move or change something.

Sorry for the long link! I'm new at posting and using forums. Good luck, Cristian, and be safe!

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Posted : 14/02/2021 3:55 pm
skinny7
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I created an account just to comment on this thread. OP, I recently started mewing also, and like yourself did not immediately understand what i was doing. The first day I noticed stronger jaw line particularly in the bottom near the ears, then on the second day I had the same appearance you described, and my face was puffy as if I'd been drinking the previous night. Since then I've been soft mewing, and concentrating on spreading the tongue with suction rather than pressing. 

Massage

The bone doesn't shift in your face immediately, but the muscles can tense up and stay tense, and that will shift bone over time. It seems to me you have over stressed the muscles and they are "jammed up". And these could just be the muscles at the bottom of the jaw that you can access/massage from outside the mouth, so the changes you feel are not permanent. 

Craniosacral Therapy

One treatment, and one I've pursued previously, is craniosacral therapy. The inventor of this is, I believe, from France, and craniosacral therapists are basically massage therapists for the face that can get at the inner muscles. if you can't find one near you, or afford one, there is trigger point release you can practice on your own jaw. Basically, you stick your finger between your cheek and mouth until you get to the back and apply some pressure until you get a release. I have gone to practitioners that focus on the whole mouth. Try running your fingers against your gums, you might just find a tense spot you can massage away.

Learn how to give yourself a head and neck massage. There are pretty simple youtube videos. If you have any relaxants, such as cannabis, that may be helpful also. You need to get in and relax the muscles and tendons. You haven't ruined your face, but you tensed your muscles too much and in the wrong way, and you need to make them pliable again. 

Breathing exercises to relax the pallet

One thing that really helps me make my muscles relaxed and pliable are breathing exercises, including the head and mouth. I personally do 4-7-8 breathing for about 10-15 minutes, then I do box breathing of 10-10-10-10 for ten minutes, or breath holds both with full and empty lungs until exhaustion, but you could do a set of 10 reps and it may be sufficient. 

To note: empty lung breath holds create immense suction and relaxation from the diaphragm that reaches your tongue and head musculature. My whole body is more relaxed when I do this, and I like to practice before bed. First, sit down. I like to sit on the edge of the bed slightly leaning back or cross legged somewhere if I were to pass out I wouldn't crack my head. Breath all the way in to your lower belly, then breath all the way out and bend over to literally force the air out of your lungs. Hold with no air in lungs and straigthen your torso up. You'll feel a huge suction pull all the way into the back of the throat. Keep holding for 10-15 seconds. Repeat. Eventually you can get to complete relaxation that goes up into your shoulders, neck, and head. 

Feel free to message me if you need help. This will require some effort, but your problem isn't permanent, you have not ruined your face.

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Posted : 15/02/2021 11:53 pm
cristiang09_
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@skinny7 thanks for all the advices you gave me. Your post was really complete and I will try to do some of the things you said. I also thought about the fact that these fast changes in my face are related to muscles I used that I never consciously used before. Besides I noticed that my palate is almost down to its previous position. I will try to spend the next days relaxing, not thinking about mewing and resting my tongue on the bottom of my mouth as I used to do before. If I won't see any improvement, I will definetely go to a specialist

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Topic starter Posted : 16/02/2021 4:03 am
cristiang09_
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Does anyone have a theory about why my palate is dropping down but my mandible and external face is not changing? Isn't the palate just the bottom of the maxilla bone?

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Topic starter Posted : 16/02/2021 7:55 am
skinny7
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@cristiang09_

Yes, it's in my post. Your bone hasn't changed, but you may have muscle tension (locked, stiff muscles) that are holding your face out of balance. This could be as simple as slightly changing the position of your jaw, or the fascia within the face altered. This will affect bone and joints over time, but not yet. 

Looking at your photos and drawing again, I think you were clenching your jaw while you were hard mewing. Clenching the jaw can retract it, which causes the rounding of the jaw instead of hard lines like you had previously. This can also be exacerbated by posture, or tilting the head up. Imagine you were focusing on mewing and slightly tilting your head backward, which pulls your jaw backward. Do movements to counter this. Chin to chest stretches. Chin down swallow. Extend your jaw a bit and massage. Follow the advice above. 

Focus on doing what you can to relax those muscles and the face. Get a head massage from a professional, not one of the Asian shops that import girls that don't know the first thing about massage. 

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Posted : 18/02/2021 12:55 am
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@mafiagang

Hello I have been doing mewing 6 months and my eyes have separated I need your help please

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Posted : 18/02/2021 9:30 am
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cristiang09_
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Today I went to a dental practice and tried to explain the dentist what I did. He is highly convinced it is impossibile for an adult to change his own craniofacial structure in one week by pushing with the tongue. He also found out by my teeth positioning that I don't swallow correctly so in the next months I am going to a speech therapist to train and correct my tongue posture. I will uptade you if I'm going to see visible changes. What pisses me off is that nobody takes me seriously when I say that I see differences in my face, expecially in my mandible. I think orthotropics is a pseudo-science so dentists don't really have a culture about that and I even feel arrogant to think the dentist is wrong, but I am sure something has changed and not in a good way. I really don't know what to do. I'll try to explain my situation to the speech therapist too. I wish I never knew what mewing is. I read a phrase on this forum that I would recommend to everybody: if something is not broke, than don't try to fix it.

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Topic starter Posted : 24/02/2021 5:59 am
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cristiang09_
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Hope somebody will believe me now

edit - before anyone says, my weight is the same

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Topic starter Posted : 24/02/2021 6:31 am
skethoskope
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@cristiang09_similar happened to me. I think we need to mew on front part of palate more than back. Because from what you described, pushing on the back of palate caused clockwise rotation of maxilla so therefore, pushing on front of palate should cause counterclockwise rotation which is what you want. I have also heard from people that got results that they focused more on front part... back part needs to be activated too but if it already is up, then no need to focus attention there. focus it on the front.

thats my theory

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Posted : 02/04/2021 3:06 pm
skethoskope
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@mafiagang thank you for your comments. they are very helpful.. I have assymetric bite (right lower teeth higher than left lower teeth) and hence assymetric lower jaw (right jaw higher than left jaw). is this tmj?

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Posted : 02/04/2021 3:17 pm
skethoskope
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@cristiang09_people are very closeminded, they think change cannot happen fast. but it can, i believe you, same happens to me. Dont listen to these "dentists/doctors" or so called "experts" who say stuff like this. If you saw the changes, then they happened. People are very gullible and always point back to "MY TEXTBOOK SAID. MY DOCTOR SAID. MY TEXTBOOK SAYS IT CANT BE TRUE". Who gives a sht what the textbooks say. trust your own and others experiences

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Posted : 02/04/2021 3:34 pm
ThaGangsta
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@skethoskope

Most likely TMJ.  Do you have a midline shift as well? 

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Posted : 02/04/2021 5:46 pm
skethoskope
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@mafiagang yes man i had midline shift as well. lower teeth midline to left of upper teeth midline. Can this be fixed naturally? if i mew with teeth slightly apart, or should i go to an orthodontist? this bite misalignment is causing asymmetries in other parts of my face.

Also, can you check out my other recent posts, and let me know your comments because you are very knowledgeable. I really appreciate you

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Posted : 02/04/2021 6:11 pm
ThaGangsta
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@skethoskope

I advise going to an ortho, asymmetry is pretty difficult to correct on your own.  I myself have a 3mm midline shift and even after mewing for 5 years no change in that.

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Posted : 03/04/2021 12:36 am
cristiang09_
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Posted by: @skethoskope

@cristiang09_people are very closeminded, they think change cannot happen fast. but it can, i believe you, same happens to me. Dont listen to these "dentists/doctors" or so called "experts" who say stuff like this. If you saw the changes, then they happened. People are very gullible and always point back to "MY TEXTBOOK SAID. MY DOCTOR SAID. MY TEXTBOOK SAYS IT CANT BE TRUE". Who gives a sht what the textbooks say. trust your own and others experiences

Thanks, that's what I've been trying to explain to everybody I talked to, from my parents to my dentist. Everything seems absurd until it happens. Mechanical forces can change your body, I mean think about those people in africa who do extend their necks using rings, that's crazy! So why wouldn't I be able to change my face by tongue pressure? It's just unusual.

I know you've been telling me to mew more with my front tongue but I'm afraid I can cause more damage. I prefer professional help, so my question is: who should I contact? Who's the doctor who takes care about facial bones? An orthodontist? Or do you think the only solution is plastic surgery? 

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Topic starter Posted : 14/04/2021 11:25 am
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  • @cristiang09_ I have suffered the same problem as you ! How did you get the palate down ?
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Posted : 14/04/2021 5:55 pm
Wellwellwell
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In none of your photos is your head angled the same way.

Angles make a huge huge difference in photos.

I believe that just like in cases where people post great results from mewing nothing changed in your case as well. Because I don't believe mewing actually works in adults, it does not make things better and it does not make things worse, because it aimply doesn't do anything. You need a great amount of force to make changes in your maxilla and your tongue simply doesn't have that. There are 0 peer reviewed studies that support mewing.

Photos can be very misleading even to our selves, I suggest you make actual real measurements of things like intermolar width and other distance measurements. That way you can tell if something REALLY actually changed.

- Age: 30
- Started soft mewing on 12 Feb 2019. Have not seen any real results or changes.
- Starting IMW: 35 mm
- Current IMW: 35 mm
- I now believe that mewing is mostly snake oil at least for the purposes discussed on this forum.

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Posted : 27/04/2021 1:24 pm
AscendingHero
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@str Bro I need wider set eyes, how did you do it?

My eyes have grown closer to each other since the orthodontist extracted my teeth. Just have the orthodontist extract your premolars and see how your eyes collapse and sink back into you skull* 

 

*Side effect is it will f up your mid and lower face too.

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Posted : 28/04/2021 9:56 am