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I believe Craniofacial Dystrophy is impossible to fix in adults

harrykanemaxilla
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I hate to bring the bad news to the forum however I believe in the study of this topic we do need to acknowledge that things may not go the way we want them to.

Firstly to define fixing Craniofacial Dystrophy in an adult I need to define the starting point. I would say the starting point is an individual with visible CFD and that is: a lack of forward growth, lack of facial width, small mandible or underbite, narrow palette etc. I base fixing CFD on changing a skull with visible CFD into a much better skull without CFD which is: a face that reaches genetic potential and usually has forward growth of the maxilla and mandible, wide palette, good facial width.

I personally think it is impossible to fix CFD in an adult. I personally believe CFD can only be prevented from a very young age and even at a young age of 5, some CFD may have already started and I believe that despite the CFD being small at this age, it would have changed the trajectory of how the skull was meant to look for the individual when they reach adulthood. To not have CFD then one needs to be mewing their whole life which unfortunately most of us have not been so we have CFD that cannot be cured in my opinion.

I also believe other factors play a role here:

- nutrition 

- hormonal profile

- epigenetics

I believe even if a person mewed, their skull wouldn’t reach its full potential if the person had bad nutrition and epigentic changes aswell as poor hormones like low testosterone for men. Maybe nutrition also impacts how the maxilla grows. 

My personal experience is that I have been mewing for 3 years yet I have seen no change to my CFD. My face has changed a little bit however that is part of adulthood. My maxilla and mandible are in the same place and my palate hasnt changed.

What do you guys think?

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Topic starter Posted : 20/05/2022 9:39 pm
CrimsonChin
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I think it's possible to fix it, even if success with the methods currently available is pretty hard to come by - even just because the collective attention on CFD is growing, I don't have any doubt that a solution will eventually come about since so many people are thinking about it. Even if there are some differences, just think that if you put a tight binding around your ribs, they would eventually change or if you continually punched a hard surface, your hand bones would thicken. I think it's definitely more a question of how than if.

Somewhat anecdotal, but I question the effect of nutrition a lot because I've heard so many rappers, athletes, gangsters, etc. say "I was so poor I grew up on ramen noodles" or something you would think would ensure they were in terrible health, yet often they are above average height, build, and facial development, especially the examples where they grew up in a shack with 7 siblings, so you know the story isn't hyperbolic.

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Posted : 21/05/2022 1:11 am
harrykanemaxilla
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@crimsonchin thing is we have had large attention on Craniofacial Dystrophy for 3 years yet it seems like things have slowed. Like the forum is a lot less active than it was 2-3 years ago and mewing videos on YouTube aren’t being uploaded anymore. It seems like people (myself included) when asked about mewing go: “yeah I mew but I didn’t do anything but I still do it. I dont expect much from it” it seems like not much is going on with the study of Craniofacial dystrophy.

Also I understand bones change with forces over time. But if the process is very slow, you could mew for 20 years and hardly notice a difference or notice no difference because the process is so slow. To fix CFD (Craniofacial Dystrophy), we need to ask how to and how fast the process will take and if its possible to fully fix the skull.

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Topic starter Posted : 26/05/2022 6:18 pm
CrimsonChin
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@harrykanemaxilla I think mewing is very overrated, simply because it being inside your mouth, no average Joe can help you if you're doing it wrong, not to mention there can be so many nuanced ways in which people develop that can prohibit doing it properly. I've been mewing for over 6 years and may have got an extremely minute change, but when you lose subcutaneous fat as you age, it makes it even harder to compare photos accurately - as far as I can tell, I don't have any developmental shortcoming as to why I wouldn't be able to get progress.

This took a while to re-find since I didn't bookmark it, this woman used a DNA appliance and improved her looks. A lot of older pics are gone, but there is one where you can see that she used to look way worse, not to mention from 2012 to 2014, she looks so much better. http://dnasmiles.blogspot.com/

It's probably pretty hard to find someone willing to treat you unless you were clearly in need of it, though.

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Posted : 27/05/2022 1:34 am
harrykanemaxilla
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@crimsonchin yes that’s true. I think some device needs to be invented and fixing the skull as an adult is a big job. What do you think of my skull development at 20 years old?

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Topic starter Posted : 27/05/2022 1:39 am
CrimsonChin
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@harrykanemaxilla It's obviously above average, so why are you here?

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Posted : 27/05/2022 2:03 pm
Ope
 Ope
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it’s not possible but it’s possible to get a bit better when you’re young 20’s by remodelling the aveolar bone connected to the maxilla with habits. However real change is only possible through surgery with adults. I mew since 2019 and I know lots of things about it and that’s the conclusion I’ve came to. People with really huge problems like mine needs djs with huge ccw. 

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Posted : 30/05/2022 11:46 pm
Thomas22
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Posted by: @harrykanemaxilla

I hate to bring the bad news to the forum however I believe in the study of this topic we do need to acknowledge that things may not go the way we want them to.

Firstly to define fixing Craniofacial Dystrophy in an adult I need to define the starting point. I would say the starting point is an individual with visible CFD and that is: a lack of forward growth, lack of facial width, small mandible or underbite, narrow palette etc. I base fixing CFD on changing a skull with visible CFD into a much better skull without CFD which is: a face that reaches genetic potential and usually has forward growth of the maxilla and mandible, wide palette, good facial width.

I personally think it is impossible to fix CFD in an adult. I personally believe CFD can only be prevented from a very young age and even at a young age of 5, some CFD may have already started and I believe that despite the CFD being small at this age, it would have changed the trajectory of how the skull was meant to look for the individual when they reach adulthood. To not have CFD then one needs to be mewing their whole life which unfortunately most of us have not been so we have CFD that cannot be cured in my opinion.

I also believe other factors play a role here:

- nutrition 

- hormonal profile

- epigenetics

I believe even if a person mewed, their skull wouldn’t reach its full potential if the person had bad nutrition and epigentic changes aswell as poor hormones like low testosterone for men. Maybe nutrition also impacts how the maxilla grows. 

My personal experience is that I have been mewing for 3 years yet I have seen no change to my CFD. My face has changed a little bit however that is part of adulthood. My maxilla and mandible are in the same place and my palate hasnt changed.

What do you guys think?

 I don’t think mewing works. Or at least, you can’t mew your way out of this  

 Everyone should mew, naturally, the people who don’t, like me, have a structural problem. 

 In my case it was a tongue tie. 

 I don’t think you can ever completely makeup for lost time. No matter what you do as an adult, you’ll never be able to achieve what was your genetic potential. 

 But you can undo some of the damage. The before and after photos from Vivos and Homeoblock providers show subtle but noticeable improvements. 

 I’m a vivos patient. In two years my airway volume increased by 50%. 

 I’ve also had a tongue tie surgery. 

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Posted : 16/06/2022 12:56 am
Thomas22
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The palate expander improvements are measurable, your zygote might grow 2mms, for example. In pictures you just have the sense that the after photos are better, and that the patients face is nicer 

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Posted : 16/06/2022 1:14 am

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