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How to find DNA Appliance practioners?  

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mbyron11
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I am having the hardest time finding a list or site or anything that will lest the practitioners for the DNA Appliance. The only place I have been able to sort of get one if find the DNA Appliance FB page and the link is dead. No one has responded to people saying the link is dead, which I find kind of weird. Anyway please help. I am in Montana if in anyone knows of a practitioner near me. Thank you!!

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Posted : 10/03/2019 10:41 pm
Neigh
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Dr. Felix Liao has trained about 1/2 of the DNA appliance people. I have no idea if he can refer you, or give you info on his students or not though. He teaches primarily in Maryland, so you'll find a TON of DNA appliance people in that state. A lot less from elsewhere.

In Montana, I doubt there is someone. It's just not population dense enough. I found one in Washington and another in Oregon though.

Washington

http://greencitydental.com/services/sleep-apnea-treatment/

Oregon

https://www.blodgettdentalcare.com/sleep-apnea-treatment/

California

https://sacramentodentistry.com/procedures/sleep-apnea/oral-appliance-therapy/

https://www.topdowndental.com/contact/

Illinois 

https://www.sleepandhealth.com/dna-appliance-patient-perspective-part-1-first-month-part-two-second-monthongoing-months-3-6/

https://www.delanydentalcare.com/neuromuscular/dna-appliance

Michigan

https://www.michigantmjandsleep.com/dna-appliance

https://www.rochesteradvanceddentistry.com/dna-appliance/

Ohio

https://www.columbuscosmeticdental.com/contact-us/

Pennsylvania 

https://drmccoy.net/curing-sleep-apnea/

Maryland

http://www.dctmjsleep.com/the-dna-appliance

https://drgenesambataro.com/2017/10/31/bagful-appliances-still-no-answers/

http://www.dctmjsleep.com/the-dna-appliance

https://marylandholisticdentist.com/dna-appliance/

https://www.naturaldentistassociates.com/dna-appliance/

Florida:

https://www.behmnaturaldentistry.com/dna-appliance/

 

Hawaii

http://www.jamesohdds.com/dna-appliance

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Posted : 11/03/2019 5:32 pm
LastQuestion
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The DNA was rebranded to Vivos after a merger. The merger was about being able to expand the DNA appliance approach to treat breathing issues.

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Posted : 12/03/2019 2:48 pm
AmiMM
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Hello, 

I am trying to find out the same thing. On a google search, I found: 

Oasis Dental (Milton Ontario) -  https://oasisdentalmilton.com/blog/functional-jaw-orthopedic-appliances-fjo-alf-expander-facemask-bionator-twin-block-bioblock-orthotropics-homeoblock-dna-appliance-successful-reshaping-of-the-jaws-and-better-health/

Aurora Dental Centre (Aurora) - http://auroradentalcentre.com

Nika Dental Center (North York) - https://www.fairviewmalldentist.com/myofunctional-therapy.php

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Posted : 15/03/2019 2:09 pm
AmiMM
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snaaaaakes
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I know I saw a female dentist in London, ON with certs in ControlledArch and functionals, but I don't remember her name or where I saw that info. So maybe keep googling terms like "controlledarch" and "anterior growth" or "growth guidance dentistry"

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Posted : 16/03/2019 5:16 pm
Neigh
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Posted by: LastQuestion

The DNA was rebranded to Vivos after a merger. The merger was about being able to expand the DNA appliance approach to treat breathing issues.

Interesting

https://www.vivoslife.com/search-by-state.html

So what's the price range and treatment time for this? 

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Posted : 03/04/2019 1:09 pm
LastQuestion
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6-10k. 12-18 month treatment time for DNA typically. More time may be needed case by case.

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Posted : 04/04/2019 2:12 pm
liekedutch
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I live in Europe (Netherlands). Does anyone know a practitioner here? 

I do find Homeoblock practitioners, is there much difference? Thanks! 

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Posted : 24/05/2019 2:14 pm
darkindigo
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Posted by: liekedutch

I live in Europe (Netherlands). Does anyone know a practitioner here? 

I do find Homeoblock practitioners, is there much difference? Thanks! 

Homeoblock founder and Dr. David Singh were best buds then split out.  There are subtle differences.

 
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Posted : 25/05/2019 4:44 am
dadfa
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What are the benefits of the DNA appliance?  

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Posted : 26/05/2019 3:41 am
Roflcopters
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Posted by: dadfa

What are the benefits of the DNA appliance?  

 

Visit their site. Search actual proven information. People here will tell you what you should or shouldn't do based on their own falacys because they project their problems onto other people. 

DNA is awesome. Proven to work wonders on physiological maxillary expansion tri dimensionally. That opens up your airways, allows for better body posture and allows for the mandible to move up freely which, for some people with tmj issues, that's all it takes. It isn't cheap tho. But by all means, if you can afford it, do it.

Possibly it's the best thing out there if you don't need too much expansion and don't want screws being drilled in your palate. 

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Posted : 27/05/2019 10:05 am
darkindigo
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The DNA appliance creates a slow palatal reshaping for adults.  It is supposed to help mild to moderate obstructive sleep apnea!  🙂

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Posted : 27/05/2019 11:39 am
Roflcopters
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Posted by: darkindigo

The DNA appliance creates a slow palatal reshaping for adults.  It is supposed to help mild to moderate obstructive sleep apnea!  🙂

 

So what do you suggest?

DIY Schwartz appliance?

if people don't go for homeoblock, Dna, Mse, fagga or whatever they can't really go for anything else without the risk of fuxing up their teeth positioning and gums. Even mewing is hard on gums if people have small enough upper arch development. 

Slow or not it works better than most stuff out there. 

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Posted : 27/05/2019 2:17 pm
airleft
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Hi, there's one DNA practitioner in Germany https://www.zahnarzt-aesthetik.de/leistungen/kieferorthopaedie/dna-appliance-system/

He's american and speaks English.

Did you find Homeoblock practitioners in the Neatherlands?

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Posted : 24/06/2019 7:56 am
ilshapira
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I practice in Illinois and have 2 practices, one in Gurnee and one in Highland Park, Illinois.

www.DelanyDentalCare.com  ..............Gurnee

www.ThinkBetterLife.com...................Highland Park

These are some of my patient testimonials:  https://www.reddit.com/r/DNAAppliance/

 

Ira L Shapira DDS, D,ABDSM, D,AAIPM, FICCMO, MICCMO
Past Chair, Alliance of TMD Organizations    
Diplomat,  Academy of Integrative Pain Management
Diplomate, American Board of Dental Sleep Medicine
Diplomate, American Board Sleep and Breathing

Regent, Master & Fellow, International College of CranioMandibular Orthopedics

Board Eligible, American Academy of CranioFacial Pain

Dental Section Editor, Sleep & Health Journal
CranioFacial Pain Section Editor, CRANIO: Journal of Craniomandibular and Sleep Practice

Member, American Equilibration Society

Member, Academy of Applied Myofunctional Sciences

Member, Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry
Life Member, American Dental Association
www.ThinkBetterLife.com

ilshapira

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Posted : 01/08/2019 8:07 pm
Rad
 Rad
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Is there any in France ? 

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Posted : 06/08/2019 10:30 am
tonguecel
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Posted by: @roflcopters
Posted by: dadfa

What are the benefits of the DNA appliance?  

 

Proven to work wonders on physiological maxillary expansion tri dimensionally.

 

i doubt that. if that were the case then all the other dozens of appliances on the market would be rendered useless

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Posted : 07/08/2019 10:10 am
Neigh
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@roflcopters

Posted by: @roflcopters

DNA is awesome. Proven to work wonders on physiological maxillary expansion tri dimensionally. That opens up your airways, allows for better body posture and allows for the mandible to move up freely which, for some people with tmj issues, that's all it takes. It isn't cheap tho. But by all means, if you can afford it, do it.

Possibly it's the best thing out there if you don't need too much expansion and don't want screws being drilled in your palate. 

 

I'm about sold on this. It's been a year and a half since I began researching, and honestly all of the DIY stuff has such a high error rate I don't trust myself to attempt it. I'm not wealthy, but I *can* afford this if the doctor is local. My issue is travel and finding someone who's near me. I assume the treatment plan is like typical braces with at least monthly visits, correct?

What I've never seen answered is... does it need to be combined with braces(during the DNA/Vivos treatment), or are braces required afterwards? I feel like DNA is going to widen your arch, create SUPA gap, then require trad braces to fill in. Correct? 

I was seriously considering Daemon braces until I found DNA. There's just no comparison

https://pomerancedentalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/vivos-dna-appliance-1.pdf

This is like SARPE without the horrible downsides. It even appears to be a mini-BSSO.

Am I wrong here? I mean it literally looks like it causes jaw advancement. 

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Posted : 30/09/2019 10:01 pm
Roflcopters
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Posted by: @neigh

@roflcopters

Posted by: @roflcopters

DNA is awesome. Proven to work wonders on physiological maxillary expansion tri dimensionally. That opens up your airways, allows for better body posture and allows for the mandible to move up freely which, for some people with tmj issues, that's all it takes. It isn't cheap tho. But by all means, if you can afford it, do it.

Possibly it's the best thing out there if you don't need too much expansion and don't want screws being drilled in your palate. 

 

I'm about sold on this. It's been a year and a half since I began researching, and honestly all of the DIY stuff has such a high error rate I don't trust myself to attempt it. I'm not wealthy, but I *can* afford this if the doctor is local. My issue is travel and finding someone who's near me. I assume the treatment plan is like typical braces with at least monthly visits, correct?

What I've never seen answered is... does it need to be combined with braces(during the DNA/Vivos treatment), or are braces required afterwards? I feel like DNA is going to widen your arch, create SUPA gap, then require trad braces to fill in. Correct? 

I was seriously considering Daemon braces until I found DNA. There's just no comparison

https://pomerancedentalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/vivos-dna-appliance-1.pdf

This is like SARPE without the horrible downsides. It even appears to be a mini-BSSO.

Am I wrong here? I mean it literally looks like it causes jaw advancement. 

I think it's monthly visits yeah. 

The need for braces depends on your case but probably yes. From what i've seen they do alot of DNA/Invisalign. Invisalign is only used after the DNA. 

Like i said, the results are awsome and i like the DNA but we're talking about 5-10k for an acrylic based appliance. Most of what you're paying is the lil trademark ®®®®..

I still love the whole thing but for 5-10k you can get an MSE/Braces. Which will trully split the  mid palate suture and create "true" skeletal movement.

DNA may remodel bone but i'd say its mostly teeth and alveolar bone expansion. 

Now obviously.. IF you need alot of skeletal movement you should go for an MSE. If you don't need much the DNA will probably be a good choice since it's minimally intrusive..

 

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Posted : 02/10/2019 1:34 pm
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Jelly
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Posted by: @liekedutch

I live in Europe (Netherlands). Does anyone know a practitioner here? 

I do find Homeoblock practitioners, is there much difference? Thanks! 

Can you please tell me which practitioners use Homeoblock in The Netherlands?

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Posted : 30/11/2019 5:14 am
greyham
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Anyone know of any DNA Appliance practitioners in Sydney, and/or Australia?

Dr Singh is coming to Sydney on Thursday this week to give a talk at The Sydney Centre for Dentistry which I'm going to attend and am guessing is to recruit local practitioners; but are there any here already who may already have experience with the device?

Thanks, Graham

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Posted : 02/12/2019 6:15 pm
Sean2019
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@neigh

Thank you so much

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Posted : 04/12/2019 11:23 am
donojn
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@ilshapira

Are you also familiar with MSE treatment ?

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Posted : 27/12/2019 11:36 pm
juliogomas
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I do live in Spain and I have no idea about how could i get a DNA Appliance treatment. Can anyone help me? Could I ask my personal dentist for it??

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Posted : 21/01/2020 1:50 pm
mr-sand-man123
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@juliogomas

You can check the Vivos Life website to see where the doctors are that provide it. Your dentist won’t be able to provide it unless they are actually affiliated with Vivos and have taken their courses and have their equipment etc. 

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Posted : 21/01/2020 9:10 pm
Neigh
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Posted by: @roflcopters

Like i said, the results are awsome and i like the DNA but we're talking about 5-10k for an acrylic based appliance. Most of what you're paying is the lil trademark ®®®®..

Yeah, after consulting with a few docs over it, I was very aware that they had basically no experience with it(I would have been the first patient for one of them). And it's essentially just a y splitter from bracesshop. I was wary of DIY back in 2017 because a lot of people messed their teeth up and tilted them forward. I even saw a couple(not here) who lost teeth with some of the DIY stuff.

However, I've seen enough self treatments with these y splitters that I think I can do it myself. Unlike MSE, the ysplitter is very slow, and it certainly looks like I can just advance at my own pace. If I want to expand to 4mm and just stop for a year, I can. With a $350 investment, it's not a huge deal either way. I think I want to tackle the DIY via a y splitter first. I may do mRNA later. I really want to avoid a BSSO+Le fort, but it may be required based on my airway. The studies show AHI dropping from 45 to 14 with a DNA, but I wonder if it pushes a 15 down to a 5? I suspect it may not do much for less severe cases.

IMO some people seem to advance too much with MSE. I've seen before and after pics, and while people using DNA/Vivos/Y Splitters look better basically 100% of the time, some MSE people end up looking kind of... off. I think having ideal maxilla width while not having the correct surrounding bone structure looks worse than having a slightly under developed maxilla that still blends in with the rest of the your bird bones. I think MSE makes the most sense for people with bigger bone structures that just ended up with a compacted maxilla for whatever reason. I'm wary of MSE for mostly cosmetic reasons. It's definitely more effective for faster and more expansion.

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Posted : 15/04/2020 10:46 pm
Thomas22
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@neigh

I think the advantage to a tooth born palate expander is that it exerts force on all of those surrounding structures, pushing them to remodel. So you get more than just transverse maxilla growth.

With that said, what do MSE patients look like three or four years later?

Does the rest of the face eventually catch up, for lack of a better word?

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The one danger of performing your own treatment is advancing too quickly. But that seems like an easy thing to avoid.

With my device, I did need the doctor to shave it down after three weeks. 

 

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Posted : 15/04/2020 11:01 pm