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Epiphany about mewing? For those who struggle hitting the soft palate  

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GreekGodBrody
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I've found about mewing about 8-9 months ago, and started doing it 6 month ago. My technique was very bad at the start, I did not understand a lot of things, and was not making any progress at all.

Over time, as I kept learning and tweaked my technique, and other things happened (tongue got stronger, learned to swallow correctly). 

The major problem was my vaulted palate (high-arched) making it extremely difficult to maintain the tongue up on the roof.

I though my posterior third of the tongue was up on the palate, but actually it wasn't, only my mid third.

When mewing, my hyoid did not go up, but on the contrary. It make my under-chin area look worse (when mewing).

 

This morning, I watched a video about mewing mistakes from Brett Maverick (blonde handsome guy), and it hit me.

He was saying that one mistake is to initiate mewing by pushing hard with the front part of your tongue. This would lead to the posterior third not engaged and not hitting the soft palate.

This is exactly what I was doing. Even though I didn't always initiate mewing starting with the tip tongue, I had the habit of pushing it .

So I tested the following.

  • I tried to start with the posterior third, slowly bring the hyoid up (mimicking swallowing) until I felt my soft palate and my airway got obstructed. From there on, I let my rest of my tongue (mid and front) in a much more relaxed position. 

I think I just cracked mewing and I'm happy about it.

 

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Posted : 17/06/2019 7:17 am
Abdulrahman
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Where does the tip of your tongue go after you do this new method, exactly at the same spot you were pushing hard before or a little behind it (further back in the palate)?

my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

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Posted : 17/06/2019 9:17 am
GreekGodBrody
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Posted by: Abdulrahman

Where does the tip of your tongue go after you do this new method, exactly at the same spot you were pushing hard before or a little behind it (further back in the palate)?

Just a few mm further back, now that I realize

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Posted : 17/06/2019 12:16 pm
drunkwithcoffee
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I was in the exact same boat a few weeks ago.  I've been "mewing" for about a year and only recently realized I only had my front 2/3rds up.  What helped was doing a chin tuck + "throat swallow" where when you swallow it feels like your tongue is making contact with your throat.  That is where your tongue should be resting, and your hyoid will always rise when doing it correctly.  This also allows you to increase pressure in the posterior third without activating the muscle under your chin much, which I've read is how it should be.

The other thing I realized was how important the tip of your tongue's location is.  It needs to be right behind your front teeth because it acts as anchor for the back of your tongue.  I was struggling to get my back third up for so long partly because the tip of my tongue was never in the proper place.

With my posture corrected, I am now starting to feel pressure in my cheekbones by suction holding alone (no added effort from "hard mewing").  I also expect that I'm going to continue to improve posture going forward, as my mind makes new connections with physical sensations and the mind-body connection strengthens.

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Posted : 17/06/2019 3:00 pm
EddieMoney
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I have less teeth on my bottom arch than upper, so I need to jut my jaw to make posterior third contact possible. 

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Posted : 17/06/2019 4:33 pm
Abdulrahman
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Posted by: GreekGodBrody

Just a few mm further back, now that I realize

This is a hint that you are compensating for some restriction. It's very possible that something is restricting your posterior third from going up and you have to do this trick to get it up. In the process however you are losing the correct position of the front of your tongue.

Myofunctional therapist spend the first few session usually teaching correct front and then middle tongue position before they move to the back third. If you have those perfect, then you might have something restricting your posterior third; example tongue tie or tight neck muscles.

my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

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Posted : 18/06/2019 1:03 am
GreekGodBrody
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@drunkwithcoffee Thanks for sharing your experience. I do feel some pressure in my cheekbones when maintaining this position (back tongue hitting the soft palate), without 'hard mewing'

I suppose a few weeks is still to early to tell if the corrections you made have put you on the path of progress.. But keep us updated

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Posted : 18/06/2019 3:00 am
GreekGodBrody
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Posted by: Abdulrahman

then you might have something restricting your posterior third; example tongue tie or tight neck muscles.

Hmm, tongue tie. Just looked it up. So I do have a lingual frenulum, but not sure if it's too short or not. Any way to test this?

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Posted : 18/06/2019 3:03 am
Pame
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@greekgodbrody You can try opening your jaws fully and check if you are able to get the tip of your tongue to touch the roof of your mouth. If you can't then you're tongue tied. Even if you have a bit of a tongue tie it doesen't necessarily mean it will hinder you from having proper tongue placement.

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Posted : 18/06/2019 4:15 am
GreekGodBrody
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@Pame: So I opened my mounth full , trying to put as much distance between the lower and upper jaw, and my tongue could in no way get close to reaching my palate (which is high-arched, btw). It only goes about 2/3 of the distance

So, it's likely I have some degree of a tongue-tie. Not extreme, because if it was extreme, I would have known by now.

Is this something fixable via a minor surgery? What kind of specialist would performm such an operation

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Posted : 18/06/2019 4:26 am
Kyte
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Posted by: GreekGodBrody

@Pame: So I opened my mounth full , trying to put as much distance between the lower and upper jaw, and my tongue could in no way get close to reaching my palate (which is high-arched, btw). It only goes about 2/3 of the distance

So, it's likely I have some degree of a tongue-tie. Not extreme, because if it was extreme, I would have known by now.

Is this something fixable via a minor surgery? What kind of specialist would performm such an operation

Yes, It can definetely Be corrected with a quick laser surgery

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Posted : 18/06/2019 6:18 am
Kyte
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@pame where should It touch by precision? Papilla, middle or back of the palate?

I can touch the incisive papilla with no problem

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Posted : 18/06/2019 6:31 am
Pame
 Pame
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@greekgodbrody Dentist, oral surgeons and ENT's do them. Its a very quick and simple procedure, but might be costly depending on where you live. Theres also a risk of nerve damage if however is doing the procedure cuts too deep.

 

@kyte Yes the incisive papilla. 

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Posted : 19/06/2019 3:57 am
GreekGodBrody
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Posted by: drunkwithcoffee

With my posture corrected, I am now starting to feel pressure in my cheekbones by suction holding alone (no added effort from "hard mewing").  I also expect that I'm going to continue to improve posture going forward, as my mind makes new connections with physical sensations and the mind-body connection strengthens.

I feel sensations in my cheekbones, nose, brow ridge and even on the top of my skull, when soft mewing, with this new approach.

Do you feel the same?

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Posted : 19/06/2019 4:54 am