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Astro's face pulling tutorial video

ToothMan246
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https://youtu.be/8L0xk3QjwZo

Tutorial starts at 3:05

Summary: apply pressure up, forwards, and outwards using the two motions in the video 2-3 minutes every hour for 8 hours daily.

 

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Topic starter Posted : 27/07/2019 10:56 am
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sinned
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Well done video but nonsensical concept. There's no way you can make any change applying pressure to the palate for only 2-3 minutes every hour for 8 hours. Not sure why you would want to do this anyway when the tongue does exactly the same thing and is more practical. These type of manual self-done "facepulling" should really go away, it's probably one of the most stupidest things you can do and doesn't work at all. If you want to facepull, get an appliance, like the bow appliance, if you want to expand the palate, get a palate expander. Don't want to wear an appliance and arguably do the same thing but better, learn to properly posture your tongue and body/head. There's been plenty of people and adult anecdotes for that matter that have managed to get expansion through mewing. Don't for the love of god put your thumbs in your mouth and start doing stuff like this.

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Posted : 27/07/2019 11:27 pm
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Roflcopters
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Dude, just buy an acrylic expander if you want to expand that badly.. what the actual ..

Buy a BOW appliance, a removeable expander and facepull that way.

Just visit a godam orthodontist, if you're american theres loads of options.

MSE coupled with cortipuncture has a failrate of like 20%. We're talking about what? 10-15kg, probably more? of force being applied on the palate for days before sutural break and sometimes it still fails!

The force necessary for bone modeling to occur isn't even that high. It's about constant pressure.

Also You can't split a suture using ur thumbs, so theres no point on recklessly and incorrectly applying forces on the root of your teeth/palate using ur fingers..

How are you going to correctly and evenly apply that amount of force on ur palate without damaging ur teeth and gums? im skeptical about this. I think it's just not logical at all. 

Stop listening to a guy that does nothing with his life other than shoving his tongue on his brain, taking emo selfies and looking himself in the mirror. He got the results he did because he already had a wide palate in the first place and started young. I mean hes a great guy for trying to help people and all but i just don't think its even safe.

If you want results fast visit an orthodontist, don't do this sht.

Regardless if you touch ur teeth or not, the forces will loosen up ur teeth and that just not good.

And even if it works and promotes a faster bone apposition/modeling, we're still talking about years of progress. That's years of you shoving ur thumbs on ur palate.. Focus on better things in life and just buy an appliance. 

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Posted : 28/07/2019 7:43 am
ToothMan246
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You guys nailed it. In chapter 3 of John Mew's book he says biting hard doesn't move bone, but keeping them in light contact for hours will.

Some treatments of anterior open bite use bite blocks to intrude posteriors in hyperocclusion

https://youtu.be/xQNIp0tVJcE

One case fixed AOB with the goal to "obtain maximum bilateral contact with lowert teeth pressing softly on the patient's chin, bilaterally, to put the mandible in centricr relation"

 
Unfortunately they used fixed appliances so there wasn't much CCW growth
 
One orthodontist I talked to was saying to bite hard on the blocks, so not everyone agrees. 
 
Maybe just do both.

 

 

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Topic starter Posted : 28/07/2019 10:17 am
Freddie
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Posted by: @toothman246

You guys nailed it. In chapter 3 of John Mew's book he says biting hard doesn't move bone, but keeping them in light contact for hours will.

Some treatments of anterior open bite use bite blocks to intrude posteriors in hyperocclusion

https://youtu.be/xQNIp0tVJcE

One case fixed AOB with the goal to "obtain maximum bilateral contact with lowert teeth pressing softly on the patient's chin, bilaterally, to put the mandible in centricr relation"

 
Unfortunately they used fixed appliances so there wasn't much CCW growth
 
One orthodontist I talked to was saying to bite hard on the blocks, so not everyone agrees. 
 
Maybe just do both.

 

 

All this is Theory. No one have all the answers and certainly not mr mew. What are you doing of all these success stories with face pulling in this forum and others ? Mewing is a really unclear science as all this jaw/dental impact on all the body and brain is. 

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Posted : 28/07/2019 8:17 pm
RamonT
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Posted by: @sinned

Well done video but nonsensical concept. There's no way you can make any change applying pressure to the palate for only 2-3 minutes every hour for 8 hours. Not sure why you would want to do this anyway when the tongue does exactly the same thing and is more practical. These type of manual self-done "facepulling" should really go away, it's probably one of the most stupidest things you can do and doesn't work at all. If you want to facepull, get an appliance, like the bow appliance, if you want to expand the palate, get a palate expander. Don't want to wear an appliance and arguably do the same thing but better, learn to properly posture your tongue and body/head. There's been plenty of people and adult anecdotes for that matter that have managed to get expansion through mewing. Don't for the love of god put your thumbs in your mouth and start doing stuff like this.

Right on bro!. I couldn't agree more with your post.

"it's probably one of the most stupidest things", Indeed .

 

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Posted : 28/07/2019 8:45 pm
ToothMan246
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Biobloc uses semi rapid expansion (1mm/week) and forces proper posture. It's consistent habits and gentle  forces that win in the end. The results in John's book are incredible. Really enjoying it so far, on chapter 6 at the moment.

In the meantime I'm keeping my tongue on the roof with teeth lightly touching the whole night by forcing them together with a pillow under my chin.  Also 4-8 hours while awake.

And I chew half a piece of falim on each side with cold water for 30 minutes daily.

 

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Topic starter Posted : 28/07/2019 10:34 pm
sinned
Estimable Member

@freddie

It's not that it won't necessarily work in theory, but 2-3 minutes every hour just isn't enough to make change. If the bone responded to that type of force in such little time then why wouldn't you mew instead? Regardless it just isn't possible to remodel the bone with such short term applied forces, at most you can get some pops and clicks, maybe this is the bone shifting? If so, it is VERY minimal and bone shifting =/= bone remodeling. The tongue is supposed to be on the roof of the mouth 24/7, why spend time trying to pull the palate with your thumbs when it would be more practical to practice tongue posture? If it was possible to use your thumbs to pull on the palate for at least all your waking hours maybe you'd see change, but that's obviously impractical and basically impossible to do. On the other hand, it's very possible to just start posturing the tongue correctly and with enough dedication slowly turn it into a habit until you do it 24/7. Not only will you get expansion through proper tongue posture but you can also upswing the maxilla.

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Posted : 28/07/2019 11:55 pm
myofunction
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@sinned

@jimbobape claims success with the thumb-pulling method. I think that it can most likely manifest a diastema if done with enough force and consistency.

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Posted : 29/07/2019 2:45 am
Freddie
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Posted by: @sinned

@freddie

It's not that it won't necessarily work in theory, but 2-3 minutes every hour just isn't enough to make change. If the bone responded to that type of force in such little time then why wouldn't you mew instead? Regardless it just isn't possible to remodel the bone with such short term applied forces, at most you can get some pops and clicks, maybe this is the bone shifting? If so, it is VERY minimal and bone shifting =/= bone remodeling. The tongue is supposed to be on the roof of the mouth 24/7, why spend time trying to pull the palate with your thumbs when it would be more practical to practice tongue posture? If it was possible to use your thumbs to pull on the palate for at least all your waking hours maybe you'd see change, but that's obviously impractical and basically impossible to do. On the other hand, it's very possible to just start posturing the tongue correctly and with enough dedication slowly turn it into a habit until you do it 24/7. Not only will you get expansion through proper tongue posture but you can also upswing the maxilla.

It is possible to expand the bone of few millimeters with force in short period of time, the problem is that the result will finish in huge relapse of all the pression. That’s why people using appliance without effort (posture) have Always relapse of their result. If you thumb pull and then keep applying force with tongue forever the result will be there faster than with the tongue only, in my opinion. 

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Posted : 29/07/2019 3:09 am