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Any good MSE+Facemask specialists in Europe?  

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Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 03/07/2019 7:55 am
GoTTi
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Posted by: Le_Fort_or_Bust

Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

hey, glad to see you inquiring about this protocol again. I do have to ask, why exactly are you inquiring about it again? The last time I saw you touch on this protocol you were reluctant to go thru with it anymore because of what @UCLAnewbie stated on the main MSE+FM thread. I must say, though, that I still personally think he was a potential  fraud & the fact that Varbrah did state that he experienced some forward growth from the protraction solidifies my thinking, at least to me haha.Bbut then you have the issue of not seeing Varbrah's X Ray's yet to prove that he did in fact gain several mm of forward growth, or ccw rotation (not saying he is lying at all but at this point we would have to see these X Rays to prove the doubters wrong)

Now that I mention Varbrah, has anybody figured out when he was going to put out any new news on his case, or hopefully any X Rays? Would love to see some of that, if possible

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Posted : 08/07/2019 1:00 am
GoTTi
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Posted by: Le_Fort_or_Bust

Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

hey, glad to see you inquiring about this protocol again. I do have to ask, why exactly are you inquiring about it again? The last time I saw you touch on this protocol you were reluctant to go thru with it anymore because of what @UCLAnewbie stated on the main MSE+FM thread. I must say, though, that I still personally think he was a potential  fraud & the fact that Varbrah did state that he experienced some forward growth from the protraction solidifies my thinking, at least to me haha.Bbut then you have the issue of not seeing Varbrah's X Ray's yet to prove that he did in fact gain several mm of forward growth, or ccw rotation (not saying he is lying at all but at this point we would have to see these X Rays to prove the doubters wrong)

Now that I mention Varbrah, has anybody figured out when he was going to put out any new news on his case, or hopefully any X Rays? Would love to see some of that, if possible

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Posted : 08/07/2019 1:00 am
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Posted by: GoTTi
Posted by: Le_Fort_or_Bust

Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

hey, glad to see you inquiring about this protocol again. I do have to ask, why exactly are you inquiring about it again? The last time I saw you touch on this protocol you were reluctant to go thru with it anymore because of what @UCLAnewbie stated on the main MSE+FM thread. I must say, though, that I still personally think he was a potential  fraud & the fact that Varbrah did state that he experienced some forward growth from the protraction solidifies my thinking, at least to me haha.Bbut then you have the issue of not seeing Varbrah's X Ray's yet to prove that he did in fact gain several mm of forward growth, or ccw rotation (not saying he is lying at all but at this point we would have to see these X Rays to prove the doubters wrong)

Now that I mention Varbrah, has anybody figured out when he was going to put out any new news on his case, or hopefully any X Rays? Would love to see some of that, if possible

I'm inquiring, because it seems to me that it is the only thing that could legitimately help me, even if the success rate is not that high, it might be worth the risk.

UCLAnewbie might have points, but I never said he was 100% correct. Even MSE+FM specialists themselves have confirmed to me that this method is not foolproof in adults and can fail. So it is a bit of a gamble, but I don't see anything better at this point. FAGGA was confirmed to not be the "holy grail", so MSE should be the one to focus on. I plan on contacting all MSE+Facemask specialists to collect information and decide which one to travel to.

I am also looking forward to see VarBrahs results. His treatment is not yet finished?

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 09/07/2019 7:25 am
Lian
 Lian
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Have you had any luck finding an MSE specialist in Europe? I’m looking for the same...

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Posted : 12/08/2019 11:46 pm
Anomaly
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Posted by: @le_fort_or_bust
Posted by: GoTTi
Posted by: Le_Fort_or_Bust

Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

hey, glad to see you inquiring about this protocol again. I do have to ask, why exactly are you inquiring about it again? The last time I saw you touch on this protocol you were reluctant to go thru with it anymore because of what @UCLAnewbie stated on the main MSE+FM thread. I must say, though, that I still personally think he was a potential  fraud & the fact that Varbrah did state that he experienced some forward growth from the protraction solidifies my thinking, at least to me haha.Bbut then you have the issue of not seeing Varbrah's X Ray's yet to prove that he did in fact gain several mm of forward growth, or ccw rotation (not saying he is lying at all but at this point we would have to see these X Rays to prove the doubters wrong)

Now that I mention Varbrah, has anybody figured out when he was going to put out any new news on his case, or hopefully any X Rays? Would love to see some of that, if possible

I'm inquiring, because it seems to me that it is the only thing that could legitimately help me, even if the success rate is not that high, it might be worth the risk.

UCLAnewbie might have points, but I never said he was 100% correct. Even MSE+FM specialists themselves have confirmed to me that this method is not foolproof in adults and can fail. So it is a bit of a gamble, but I don't see anything better at this point. FAGGA was confirmed to not be the "holy grail", so MSE should be the one to focus on. I plan on contacting all MSE+Facemask specialists to collect information and decide which one to travel to.

I am also looking forward to see VarBrahs results. His treatment is not yet finished?

Varbrah has not shown his results after treatment? He has been done lol.... This guy is such a :"know it all" that he doesn't want to show off his mediocre results after hyping it all up. Bta, fagga is not the "holy grail" but I have not seen a single piece of evidence showing that the mse+fm has brought the lower jaw forwards, reduced nasolobial angle, provided lip support, cleared lower airway like the fagga does. I would consider getting ncr+fm before mse unless anybody can show a picture of decent aesthetic results. varbrah won't because he is probably a little too busy retaining his "know it all" persona on this forum. Even if he responds to me here, he will, instead of showing his x ray results at the very least lol, will say something like "why would I help somebody like you when all you do is doubt me?" or something of that nature. 

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Posted : 15/08/2019 4:39 pm
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Posted by: @anomaly
Posted by: @le_fort_or_bust
Posted by: GoTTi
Posted by: Le_Fort_or_Bust

Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

hey, glad to see you inquiring about this protocol again. I do have to ask, why exactly are you inquiring about it again? The last time I saw you touch on this protocol you were reluctant to go thru with it anymore because of what @UCLAnewbie stated on the main MSE+FM thread. I must say, though, that I still personally think he was a potential  fraud & the fact that Varbrah did state that he experienced some forward growth from the protraction solidifies my thinking, at least to me haha.Bbut then you have the issue of not seeing Varbrah's X Ray's yet to prove that he did in fact gain several mm of forward growth, or ccw rotation (not saying he is lying at all but at this point we would have to see these X Rays to prove the doubters wrong)

Now that I mention Varbrah, has anybody figured out when he was going to put out any new news on his case, or hopefully any X Rays? Would love to see some of that, if possible

I'm inquiring, because it seems to me that it is the only thing that could legitimately help me, even if the success rate is not that high, it might be worth the risk.

UCLAnewbie might have points, but I never said he was 100% correct. Even MSE+FM specialists themselves have confirmed to me that this method is not foolproof in adults and can fail. So it is a bit of a gamble, but I don't see anything better at this point. FAGGA was confirmed to not be the "holy grail", so MSE should be the one to focus on. I plan on contacting all MSE+Facemask specialists to collect information and decide which one to travel to.

I am also looking forward to see VarBrahs results. His treatment is not yet finished?

Varbrah has not shown his results after treatment? He has been done lol.... This guy is such a :"know it all" that he doesn't want to show off his mediocre results after hyping it all up. Bta, fagga is not the "holy grail" but I have not seen a single piece of evidence showing that the mse+fm has brought the lower jaw forwards, reduced nasolobial angle, provided lip support, cleared lower airway like the fagga does. I would consider getting ncr+fm before mse unless anybody can show a picture of decent aesthetic results. varbrah won't because he is probably a little too busy retaining his "know it all" persona on this forum. Even if he responds to me here, he will, instead of showing his x ray results at the very least lol, will say something like "why would I help somebody like you when all you do is doubt me?" or something of that nature. 

Actually yeah...whatever happened to Varbrah??? Anyone know?

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 16/08/2019 6:01 am
Roflcopters
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Posted by: @anomaly
Posted by: @le_fort_or_bust
Posted by: GoTTi
Posted by: Le_Fort_or_Bust

Wondering which MSE+Facemask specialists re you aware of that are located in Europe?

hey, glad to see you inquiring about this protocol again. I do have to ask, why exactly are you inquiring about it again? The last time I saw you touch on this protocol you were reluctant to go thru with it anymore because of what @UCLAnewbie stated on the main MSE+FM thread. I must say, though, that I still personally think he was a potential  fraud & the fact that Varbrah did state that he experienced some forward growth from the protraction solidifies my thinking, at least to me haha.Bbut then you have the issue of not seeing Varbrah's X Ray's yet to prove that he did in fact gain several mm of forward growth, or ccw rotation (not saying he is lying at all but at this point we would have to see these X Rays to prove the doubters wrong)

Now that I mention Varbrah, has anybody figured out when he was going to put out any new news on his case, or hopefully any X Rays? Would love to see some of that, if possible

I'm inquiring, because it seems to me that it is the only thing that could legitimately help me, even if the success rate is not that high, it might be worth the risk.

UCLAnewbie might have points, but I never said he was 100% correct. Even MSE+FM specialists themselves have confirmed to me that this method is not foolproof in adults and can fail. So it is a bit of a gamble, but I don't see anything better at this point. FAGGA was confirmed to not be the "holy grail", so MSE should be the one to focus on. I plan on contacting all MSE+Facemask specialists to collect information and decide which one to travel to.

I am also looking forward to see VarBrahs results. His treatment is not yet finished?

Varbrah has not shown his results after treatment? He has been done lol.... This guy is such a :"know it all" that he doesn't want to show off his mediocre results after hyping it all up. Bta, fagga is not the "holy grail" but I have not seen a single piece of evidence showing that the mse+fm has brought the lower jaw forwards, reduced nasolobial angle, provided lip support, cleared lower airway like the fagga does. I would consider getting ncr+fm before mse unless anybody can show a picture of decent aesthetic results. varbrah won't because he is probably a little too busy retaining his "know it all" persona on this forum. Even if he responds to me here, he will, instead of showing his x ray results at the very least lol, will say something like "why would I help somebody like you when all you do is doubt me?" or something of that nature. 

I understand you qould like to see his results, im going for MARPE aswell and im also interested in the protraction aspect of the treatment..but..

Honestly id show everyone the results wether or not positive but not with you. You do have a shitty attitude. You just sounded arrogant as hell and like youd be happy if you saw his treatment failed. Tell me if youd help somebody like that.

All i seen from your posts is you baiting him with a shitty attitude hoping he reacts and posts good results so you can go for MSE+fm without risking a "medíocre result". Meanwhile you probably arent doing anything for yourself or pursuiing any treatment and come on the forums to do anything but help any1 and act like you have the right to be offended he hasnt posted anything yet.

If youre tuat curious about his treatment ask him Over private messages and be thankful he might or not be willing to share. 

As for soft tissue changes, MSE + fm isnt the "go to" treatment. I think we all know forward growth is what brings in the pleasing look. But for some people that dont lack as much forward growth as they lack transverse, MSE +FM MIGHT make more sense IF the protraction is successful. MSE was developed to treat bad crossbites, jaw assymetries and transverse deficiencys that would need surgery. The facemask for protraction is done for some rotation and saggital movement if possible but no1 ever claimed possible to gain as much as youd gain doing FAGGA. he most likely knows this and chose the best treatment for himself. Or at least tried to.

And i think he dos mention that if the protraction doesnt work well , he can always go for fagga.

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Posted : 16/08/2019 10:10 am
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Does anyone know who treated Varbrah? Where can I find more info on his latest results? Any before-after pictures? Kindly share if you have!

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 16/08/2019 10:54 am
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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bumping

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 25/09/2019 7:13 am
Fknasymetries
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Posted by: @roflcopters

MSE was developed to treat bad crossbites, jaw assymetries and transverse deficiencys

hello, would you mind explaining to me how it can treat jaw assymetries? I don't really see how it could realistically achieve such results due to its design but if it can that's awesome. Thank you in advance

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Posted : 05/10/2019 6:16 pm
zazme
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have you considered MSE (aka MARPE) and a herbst appliance?

i am sure there are plenty of MARPE specialists in europe.

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Posted : 11/10/2019 3:39 am
entelechy
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@gotti

Christoph Moschik in Munich does MSE, so does Daniele Cantarella in Milan.

entelechy

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Posted : 20/11/2019 7:16 pm
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Posted by: @zazme

have you considered MSE (aka MARPE) and a herbst appliance?

i am sure there are plenty of MARPE specialists in europe.

How does this differ from MSE?

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 23/11/2019 4:49 pm
Sergio-OMS
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Hi!

Maxfax surgeon here spending some time online.

As someone appointed, MARPE is not rare in Europe. MSE is not a synonym for MARPE, but a type of it. I am finding that MSE is rare in some European countries like UK, Germany and Scandinavian countries. I think this is due to distribution issues and some other MARPEs being more popular for other issues.

Should anybody be interested, my in-office orthodontist and I are doing MSE in Madrid

Hope this helps,

Sergio

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Posted : 10/02/2020 3:31 am
WATCHINGAPIC
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@sergio-oms

Do you know any other European providers, I'm also finding it very difficult and I'm interested in treatment or atleast a consultation, but I'm from a scandinavian country. However its also hard to know if I could be considered a valid canditate. I've had 2 teeth extracted so I'm not sure if MSE is the best way to go or if it can yield in a optimal functional bite considered the 2 missing teeth.

However ronalds videos regarding it make me really intersted as I have sleep issues and narrow everything really.

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Posted : 16/02/2020 10:02 am
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Posted by: @sergio-oms

Hi!

Maxfax surgeon here spending some time online.

As someone appointed, MARPE is not rare in Europe. MSE is not a synonym for MARPE, but a type of it. I am finding that MSE is rare in some European countries like UK, Germany and Scandinavian countries. I think this is due to distribution issues and some other MARPEs being more popular for other issues.

Should anybody be interested, my in-office orthodontist and I are doing MSE in Madrid

Hope this helps,

Sergio

Can you combine MARPE with Facemask to bring maxilla forward after expanding palate?

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 19/02/2020 5:25 am
Sergio-OMS
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@le_fort_or_bust

Sorry, I missed this one.

we can combine them, yes. very mild effect, though, just a few mm

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Posted : 21/02/2020 9:53 pm
Le_Fort_or_Bust
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Posted by: @sergio-oms

@le_fort_or_bust

Sorry, I missed this one.

we can combine them, yes. very mild effect, though, just a few mm

So MSE is more effective than MARPE in terms maxillary expansion?

 

What is maximum mm in width you can get with MSE? And what is maximum mm of forward movement of maxilla you can get with Facemask?

30 yo, need to expand palate, move maxilla upward and forward, reduce gonial angle.

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Posted : 22/02/2020 4:06 am
Sergio-OMS
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@le_fort_or_bust

MSE® is a MARPE device. But it is probably, in opinion of many, the best one.

I can't answer briefly and in English to the other questions, sorry.

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Posted : 22/02/2020 5:46 am