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22 y/o Female. TMJD: Constant jaw clicking/cracking. Uneven face.  

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beesforfrees
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Hi,

I found Mike Mew a few years ago, and have held my tongue to the roof of my mouth since then. More recently I have been trying to hard mew. 

I've had terrible TMJD since childhood. I've been to dentists/orthodontists/specialists. It seems like no one really cares. They've prescribed me muscle relaxers, which I thought were unnecessary. 

My issues is that every time I open my mouth, my right jaw pops. Sometimes it feels a little stuck, and I will have to wiggle it to the side and it will make a cracking noise. Occasionally my jaw becomes achy and bothersome. My face is asymmetrical. The right side of my face looks fatter, my chin looks lower, my eye looks bigger, my lips are uneven. The midline of my upper and lower teeth do not match up. My molars tip outwards. I wore braces for 3 years between the ages of 16-19. 

Does anyone have any advice for me? I would absolutely love to fix this problem, but I do not know what the cause of it is. Besides mewing with even tongue pressure, keeping good posture, what should I be doing? Should I be expanding my palate? Is there any type of device that can help? I would absolutely love to experience a healthy jaw, that does not pop, click, and crack. 

**I just measured my inter molar width, it seems to be about 41 mm

***  https://imgur.com/a/Fy4pq9L Here are some photos if it helps. 

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Posted : 13/02/2019 2:28 pm
AlphaMinus
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Question: if you stick your fingers in your ears and then open and close your mouth repeatedly, do you feel a lot of bone movement in the ears?

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Posted : 13/02/2019 2:42 pm
AlphaMinus
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Question: if you stick your fingers in your ears and then open and close your mouth repeatedly, do you feel a lot of bone movement in the ears?

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Posted : 13/02/2019 2:42 pm
beesforfrees
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Yes, on the right side there is a ton. It feels like that is the area shifting and making noise. 

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Posted : 13/02/2019 3:01 pm
AlphaMinus
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That's generally a sign that your mandible is too far back. I have the same thing. Every time I open my mouth, my left TMJ clicks, and sometimes when chewing tough food like bagels my jaw locks and I have to force it open. If I jut my lower jaw forward just a couple of mm, however, the problem completely stops. 

 

You might find this article on the subject very interesting:  https://treningogrehab.no/true-cause-solution-temporomandibular-dysfunction-tmd/

 

Asymmetry however, I don't know a lot about. I think it's quite a complicated subject  and there are probably multiple causes of it. 

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Posted : 13/02/2019 10:53 pm
darkindigo
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Go here: lviglobal.com  Bill Dickerson is good at that.

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Posted : 14/02/2019 12:30 am
beesforfrees
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Thank you for the info. That is interesting. I definitely open my mouth incorrectly, down and back instead of forward. 

My jaw doesn't click or pop at all when I jut my jaw out. But unfortunately my maxilla isn't pushed forward enough for me to comfortable rest my jaw / close my teeth. I think I would have to increase the length of my maxilla to fix the jaw problem. 

Ugh. I didn't realize my migraines, tinnitus, and occasional "seeing stars" was at all related to my jaw. I've had this issue for years, I wish I would have fixed it when I was younger.

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Posted : 14/02/2019 4:25 am
sinned
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I'm not a doctor, this is not a diagnosis or advice, just my opinion.

I think your TMJ stems from your asymmetry and retruded maxilla/mandible; I say this because my situation is similar, my asymmetry became worse after I received orthodontic treatment and a herbst appliance for 2-3 years. During the treatment I started noticing, perhaps due to self-consciousness, that my jaw wasn't symmetrical, looking back before orthodontics my face wasn't perfectly symmetrical but I did think it got worse with orthodontics.

There are basically two ways to go about this, no appliance or appliance, research FAGGA and AGGA; find someone near you who adheres to or is willing to treat you with orthotropic principles in mind. If you don't want an appliance that's fine, mewing by itself works just look around the forums and case discussions to see for yourself, most notably  https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/hey-guys-mewing-doesnt-work-sarcasm-age-15-21-before-after-itt/, he started at 18 and there's another person named Progress who started around your age and got results.

Here are some resources, everything you need to know is on here (this website I mean) and on the orthotropics channel.

https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/tongue-strengthening-exercises/

https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/strengthening-the-tongue/#post-14874

https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/whats-a-tongue-pushup/

^Myofunctional and tongue strengthening exerxises^

http://www.aljabri.com/blog/

^Along with the orthotropics channel and this website you should check out this blog^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmf-pR7EryY

^Good place to start, look at the references in the description^

Lips together, teeth together, tongue on the roof of the mouth, proper head and body posture

^Basic orthotropics principles^

If you have a question someone's probably asked it on this forum already unless it's specific to you, ask questions but search through the forum first. We've talked about subjects like open mouth chewing, clenching, hard mewing, sleeping while mewing, etc.

edit: More resources with no particular organization

https://the-great-work.org/guide-to-proper-tongue-posture-mewing/

https://the-great-work.org/common-tongue-posture-mewing-problems-and-solutions/

Learn how to swallow, orthotropics playlist: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcI8CvoFxfQ&list=PLX3oLVFIruG_1N3j9agmW_p-Vy6fOL4Fe

tl; dw Only use the tongue, do cheesy smile swallows to get a feel and hang of it

I would give resources on improving tongue and body posture but there's so much info out there, I'll just give a synopsis:

Work on your mobility, core (abs and back), posterior chain (back, glutes, rear delts, hamstrings, etc.), and neck (chin tucks, chin curls, isometrics, etc.); stretch tight areas/over used muscles (back of the neck, chest and front shoulder area, etc.; move around, don't constrain yourself to your desk and chair, get the blood flowing.

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Posted : 14/02/2019 5:24 pm
darkindigo
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Posted by: beesforfrees

Thank you for the info. That is interesting. I definitely open my mouth incorrectly, down and back instead of forward. 

My jaw doesn't click or pop at all when I jut my jaw out. But unfortunately my maxilla isn't pushed forward enough for me to comfortable rest my jaw / close my teeth. I think I would have to increase the length of my maxilla to fix the jaw problem. 

Ugh. I didn't realize my migraines, tinnitus, and occasional "seeing stars" was at all related to my jaw. I've had this issue for years, I wish I would have fixed it when I was younger.

Wow - sorry about your migranes and stuff.  Yes, moving your maxilla forward can allow more movement forward of the mandible.  Is your maxilla a little retrusive or in a good spot?  Part of that is determined nasolabial angle.  I heard roughtly 108 degrees is about right. 

Even a little less.  Nasolabial angle is the angle from the bottom of the nose to the upper lip.  There are other factors to tell as well.  Anyway, hope all goes well!

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Posted : 14/02/2019 11:22 pm
AlphaMinus
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Don't worry about your teeth meeting correctly when you jut your mandible forward. That only matters when you're chewing, and you can temporarily stop jutting while you chew. The important thing is to move the condyles away from the socket they're jammed in so they don't do any more damage and the joint can repair itself. It feels awkward at first but you get used to it pretty quick. I gently hold my front teeth together - not so the biting edges are lined up, but just forward enough so that I don't get the clicks when I open my mouth. I believe the muscle which controls this forward/backward movement of the mandible will remodel in time so that its resting position is with the mandible forward. 

I believe this is what the article above advises. Jut just enough to stop the clicking, and hold it there as long as you're not chewing. You can always move the maxilla forward to meet sometime in the future, with an appliance like FAGGA  

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Posted : 15/02/2019 7:34 pm
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