NOTICE:

DO NOT ATTEMPT TREATMENT WITHOUT LICENCED MEDICAL CONSULTATION AND SUPERVISION

This is a public discussion forum. The owners, staff, and users of this website are not engaged in rendering professional services to the individual reader. Do not use the content of this website as an alternative to personal examination and advice from licenced healthcare providers. Do not begin, delay, or discontinue treatments and/or exercises without licenced medical supervision.

[Sticky] Assorted Stories from the Web  

  RSS
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

For research and dissemination I will be collecting in one location the adult expansion, cranial adjustment, and face-pulling results. I implore our users to keep accurate records for themselves and others; these can include dental/palate impressions, before/after pictures, X-Rays and 3D scans.

The purpose of this collection is for use as evidence for theories proposed here. This collection will only be re-posted on this website and will not be submitted anywhere else. 

For those looking into expansion and movement in the near future, please consider keeping records for your own sake and for others. Pictures of dental impressions alone can be very helpful. 

If you have successfully completed any expansion/movement of facial bones and have any of the above records, please attach them below with your personal story of what you did and what the results were (use multiple posts if necessary).

If you wish to share anonymously, please send me a personal message and we will arrange an anonymous transfer. If you do not have any records to share,  your personal experience is also very valuable. Please tell us what you have done and what the results were. 

Your input could help many, many people

 

Quote
Posted : 28/08/2017 11:25 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

User from ShapeYourFace forum. User was 20 years old when began proper tongue posture, 21 at time of after photo

 [Picture removed by user request]

  http://www.shapeyourface.com/syfbb/viewtopic.php?t=247

Quotes from User: 

Yes, I don't believe in unattractive people. I believe that most faces are wrongly adapted which significantly had an impact on the bone structure. The bone structure is a main part of our looks and if that doesn't develop well then we will not only have bad bone structure but it will also have an impact on our facial muscles.

As you can see, my upper lip and lower lip evened out to a similar size. The lower lip was twice as chubby than the upper lip before. An unexpexted change is that the lines next to my nose disappeared. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because my maxilla went a few millimeters forward. I had an underbite before and it evened out as well.

I wonder how far those changes will go. I will wait a few years more and let my bone structure take care of my facial muscles for now.

No one is unattractive in my eyes. We just have to shape our faces, as we shape our bodies. In either cases we have to give them the right environment for them to grow properly - and Dr. Mike Mew set an example for that.

I have been doing Dr. Mew's method for a half year and my bone structure changed very well. Instead of describing it in words, let me demonstrate that with pictures of myself.

Oh and my assymetry has improved a lot. My tongue posture is better and I fixed my forward head posture which is super important. Having the wrong head posture impacts all the muscles on your face and the bones in the long term, so do not underestimate it. It made a greater change for me.

Chewing more on the left side improved my facial symmetry too. I used to chew on my right side for my entire life which is why it's shorter than the other side. Therefore I'm chewing now 4 hours on the left side and 2 hours on the right one to balance it out and it works amazingly well.

More improvements: my TMJ resolved completely and my teeth are perfectly aligned now.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:04 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

User from BreakTheMatrix Forum. User was 18 when began mewing, 19 at time of after photo. User has had 4 wisdom teeth removed

Additional Image:

[Before on Right, After on Left]

Quotes from User:

1.5 years being aware of mewing, 1 year of proper and constant hard mewing, dabbled with facepulling as many of you know but gave that up around the new year, chewing mastic gum for about 3 months now. 

life has changed a lot [...]. My jaws and skull are sore daily as if i had braces! exact same feelings. good luck

I highly recommend hard Mewing. Enter a slight caloric surplus, tongue to the roof of the mouth pushing forward, upwards and laterally. Do this all day, every day. Do it consciously and really try to feel each plate of the skull respond to your force. If you have ever worked out in the gym then you have likely heard of the mind-muscle connection. I believe this is similar. You can't just push indiscriminately. You need to really take your time and feel out the changes. 

I supplement vitamin K2, d, calcium, and some other general stuff.

Chew mastic gum for an hour a day. Alternate sides of course.

waking up is often when I am mewing the hardest.

I really found chewing before bed and strengthening those facial muscles assists in nighttime maintenance. I used a myobrace appliance for 1 month, 1 year ago in order to fully train my tongue to stay up over night. I didn't need it past the single month and frankly, it was confining my palate much more than I liked. 

I sleep on my stomach, sadly. My head is obviously on its side. I make an effort to switch sides but prefer the left side. I Mackenzie tuck for the duration of the night and often use my arm/hand to sort of hold the tuck. When I wake up, my palate is sore like when I had braces. Nighttime is a critical element to get right, if you wish to see changes.

I really must stress that this is something that must be focused on all day. Every waking minute I am concentrating on shifting my facial bones; visualizing the changes. You have to want it. You have to NEED it. Have faith in the method. 

There is nothing better than waking up in the morning, having trained yourself to maintain perfect posture and pressure over night, feeling your midface shift on demand as you alter tongue pressure. You will feel your sinus cavity expand. Extra air will enter it. Absolute bliss. 

Fight for it.

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:09 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

User MessiahMews, from her own blog and also BreakTheMatrix 

Quotes from User:

From left to right.  1st pic on left was in 2010 (No NCR nor ABC), and the collapsed palate/maxilla (mouth area is clearly collapsed sunken in).  The 2nd pic was during the 3rd NCR session of November of 2012.  There was already great changes, as my mouth isn't sunk in anymore (collapsed palate/maxilla).  The last two pics, obviously made the same day, was made after 6 NCR sessions, but I had already started having ABC (Advanced Biostructural Correction done too.  Although my ABC chiropractor, doesn't do the EndoNasal Cranial Correction, it does all work together and it still helped the NCR out and visa versa.  The chin depth (neck to chin is out more, due to the maxilla/palate being moved forward even more with continued NCR.  A sharper jawline!  

Plus I no longer have that fugly retruded chin look. The changes in facial aesthetics are quite OBVIOUS and MUCH better!  I'm very happy and pleased with it.

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:26 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

Michale Fetzik, BSN OMT. Nearly 50 Years old. Tongue tie correction, palate expansion, and tongue posture/scaffolding

 

Quotes from User:

These are my photos. Thank you for the reference. I would have been happy to dialogue with you regarding my process and results.

Your question “Her results are good but what if they can be better when pushing the posterior tongue? When I was briefly trained in Oral Myology I was never taught about the posterior.” is easily answered.

Yes, I am pushing the posterior / base of tongue. The tongue is in complete contact with the palate from incisive papilla to just anterior of the uvula. My guess is that if I indeed had the proper anterior face development / maxillary placement that I would be able to achieve contact with the base of tongue to the uvula.

Given that I am nearly 50 years old, I was shocked at the results achieved. None of the result was intended or sought out for facial osseous changes. My whole goal was to rid myself of Migraine headache and neck / shoulder pain.

Here the link to my recently published case history (for all of the clinical details) published in Cranio UK.

http://www.happykansasfaces.com/uploads/2/9/2/7/29276427/cranio_uk_article.pdf

I can assure you that my own personal journey has fueled the fire for helping others and getting out the message that facial / neck musculature tone and patterning changes lives.

My work centers around infants in trying to identify patterns and factors that contribute to airway and facial posture issues from birth. My findings are nothing short of shocking!

---

The tongue tip should start at the bump behind the two front teeth and lay out the full length of the palate to the soft palate. The action on the palate should be that of a ‘suction cup’. So like the soft plastic suction cups you use to hang something on a window would be the best way to explain this connection. When in this position you open your mouth, the tongue stays on the palate and eventually pops or unsticks falling away from the palate.

Overall it’s a soft gentle push with a negative suction.

Hope this helps!

 

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:37 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

PatientZero. Facepulling. In 20s

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:39 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

Owner of http://jawpain-tmjtreatment.com/. Facepulling and NCR. Has had braces and teeth extraction as a child. Over 40 when treatment began

Quotes from User:

Your maxilla will come forward without surgery. As it comes forward, the bones around your condiles will rotate and your jaw will become loose and drop forward. Therefore, you will not be pulling JUST the maxilla forwards and end up looking like an inbred [Rude Language or Insults are not tolerated]. Not only your maxilla will come forward but YOUR ENTIRE FACE WILL! Especially your cheekbones, so if you don't have cheekbones, you will get them with this technique. Your whole face will come forward and your jaw will follow along getting rid of TMJ forever! Below are my results...

It is absolutely amazing how FAST this process works, and the change over the course of 1 year will be staggering. Many of these so-called self-esteem issues are just not being good-looking. As your face improves, so does your self-esteem. 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:48 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

Lookism User. 20 Years old. Facepulling

 

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/08/2017 10:55 am
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin

Forum user Yay. Side Sleeper with trouble keeping jaw shut. TMJ issues. 8 Months progress. Over 20 years old. 

 

Quotes from User:

For my changes, yes the breathing! So much better and clearer. Also, just trying to chew food and swallow differently. My poof around my mouth (buccinators to get technical) is way less. 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 01/09/2017 11:30 am
Allixa
Estimable Member

Here's an imgur album of success stories that I have found around the internet. There's some really good stuff in here.

https://imgur.com/a/zTknC

TGW, I would have sent these over in a PM but I can't tell how to do that. There doesn't seem to be an option for it.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 23/11/2017 5:43 pm
TGW
 TGW
TGW Admin Admin
Posted by: Allixa

Here's an imgur album of success stories that I have found around the internet. There's some really good stuff in here.

https://imgur.com/a/zTknC

TGW, I would have sent these over in a PM but I can't tell how to do that. There doesn't seem to be an option for it.

I'll get a PM system set up.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 01/12/2017 12:43 am
Ag
 Ag
Guest
  • Did he just do it by changing the head posture and mouth position?
ReplyQuote
Posted : 08/02/2018 7:43 am
Meltcel
 Meltcel
Guest

Re: Jamo716

I am inspired by his story since his before pic looks a lot like my condition. His after profile (I don't really care about masseter development) looks like the ideal facial profile to me. I wish I would have known ortho wouldn't have yielded those results.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 2:17 pm
Allixa
Estimable Member

I'm reposting the album I created above ( https://imgur.com/a/zTknC) as actual images on the forum instead of as a link:

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 3:35 pm
Apollo liked
Allixa
Estimable Member

To view these ones full size, right click them or visit the album: https://imgur.com/a/zTknC

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 3:36 pm
Allixa
Estimable Member

And here is someone who said that they solved their TMJ through chewing/mewing.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 3:39 pm
Meltcel
 Meltcel
Guest

Deleted post

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 3:42 pm
Allixa
Estimable Member
Posted by: Meltcel

Lookism is such a toxic place. Nobody there is interested in looksmaxing save for a few members. People there want to argue about pointless garbage like "what phenotypes are most attractive? " and a bunch of mental masturbation about how "rotting" is the best solution to "not having Chad's genes".

 

That place is mentally ill. I signed up there thinking people would be interested in actually changing. Boyo was I wrong. 

 

Also just lol @a bunch of 18-20 year olds who seem to think having a recessed maxilla looks "high class" and "evolved". 

Lookism does have issues, but there was a lot of great knowledge dropped there back in the day. I did my best to preserve that knowledge while avoiding the other unsavory elements that you referred to. A lot of the older posters from there aren't around anymore; it seems that the new userbase is full of people who are doing everything they can to drag the place down. I don't browse there anymore because there is no more knowledge being shared. It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of posters there now were actually ruining that place on purpose.

Anyways, I really want this forum to avoid the fate that the other forums fell to. We need to avoid going down the dark path of allowing people to start using memes, chad/incel talk, etc because once you get into that stuff it invites a really destructive crowd and energy that is the exact opposite of what we need in order to make progress on this complex topic.

With that in mind I would consider changing your av/username to be better suited to what the goals of this place are just because your av and username are really reminiscent of those communities and might invite more of those unsavory elements to exist here over time. Basically what I am trying to say is, if you want this forum to remain a place where people come to pursue change and knowledge and truth then it's probably best to create a new culture that goes after that instead of dragging that older worse culture into here.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 5:43 pm
Meltcel
 Meltcel
Guest

Deleted post. No point in this discussion.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 6:12 pm
Allixa
Estimable Member

@admin, @progress

We should decide which direction the forum should go in. My post is pretty clear above about what happens to forums when they give in to the types of cultures that other Mew forums have gone down, and Mew himself says he won't allow his name to be attached to places like that. Please provide guidance and direction. This topic will only become more important as people continue to join.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 6:48 pm
Cassius liked
Meltcel
 Meltcel
Guest
Posted by: Allixa

@admin, @progress

We should decide which direction the forum should go in. My post is pretty clear above about what happens to forums when they give in to the types of cultures that other Mew forums have gone down, and Mew himself says he won't allow his name to be attached to places like that. Please provide guidance and direction. This topic will only become more important as people continue to join.

You've gathered all this from me being a former lookism member? I have never made any posts suggesting "giving in" to a "type of culture". All I have done is posted questions and statements regarding maxilla movement. 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/03/2018 7:42 pm
Allixa
Estimable Member
Posted by: TGW

 

I'm here multiple times a day for moderation, please be assured that any slide towards off topic posts (especially in that direction) is going to be cut off well before it gets traction. I'm not going to be policing the use of internet slang boyos, but topics complaining about social issues or personal opinions about gender relations is off topic and will be removed.

That sounds good. The main thing I want is for this forum to remain high quality. Usernames, avs, and culture don't bother me at all, but I simply noticed a pattern where other forums that leaned towards that style ended up becoming lower quality over time which I would like to avoid happening here. It sounds like everyone is on the same page though.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 19/03/2018 9:56 pm
Apollo
Reputable Member

I found some before and after photos from an Orthodontist in Colorado named Kent Lauson (  https://www.realself.com/find/Colorado/Aurora/Orthodontist/kent-lauson-dds#photos ). He challenges conventional wisdom about orthodontics, and promulgates the potential for skeletal changes to improve facial form and teeth alignment at any age. He is the author of a book called "Straight Talk about Crooked Teeth." However, scanning its table of contents, I believe the book focuses on treatment options for children and teens. Many of his philosophies seem to be similar to Dr. Mew's, but he uses the term "Dentofacial Orthopedics" rather than "Orthotropics." I like this nomenclature because it signifies a focus on skeletal changes (even in adults), in contrast to the focus on shifting teeth in conventional "orthodontics," or the focus on guiding growth in "Orthotropics." Dr. Lauson might be a good person to contact for a Q/A video. Here are his before and after pictures from a website called realself.com. Most of the notes on the images say that treatment started with the use of dentofacial orthopedics, which I take to mean palate expansion, followed by conventional orthodontics. Only the first case (which looks to have started with a Class III malocclusion) provided images of the changes to facial form in addition to the dentition.

Case 1:

Adult TMJ and orthodontic treatment before 222984Adult TMJ and orthodontic treatment after 222984

Adult TMJ and orthodontic treatment before 222992Adult TMJ and orthodontic treatment after 222992

Case 2:

Teen Orthodontic Treatment  before 223626Teen Orthodontic Treatment  after 223626

Case 3: 

Adult Orthodontic treatment before 223627Adult Orthodontic treatment after 223627

Case 4:

Adult TMJ and orthodontic treatment (case #1JW) before 224709Adult TMJ and orthodontic treatment (case #1JW) after 224709

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 28/03/2018 4:22 pm
krollic
Estimable Member

just wanted to share that my intermolar distance has gone up around 3mm in the past 45 days from when I started mewing. at around 42mm now. i think my progress has accelerated since I started practicing mckenzie tucks and trying to hold my head in that position whilst asleep

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/03/2018 4:05 am
Allixa
Estimable Member
Posted by: krollic

just wanted to share that my intermolar distance has gone up around 3mm in the past 45 days from when I started mewing. at around 42mm now. i think my progress has accelerated since I started practicing mckenzie tucks and trying to hold my head in that position whilst asleep

@krollic

That's great progress. So did you start at 39mm? And do you push sideways with your tongue or just straight up? I've been trying to expand with my tongue as well but I'm at 31.8mm so I don't think it's possible to use just the tongue for my case.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/03/2018 7:23 am
krollic
Estimable Member

Yep, 39mm. I push everywhere I can from back of tongue to the hard spot behind teeth. Tongue is in contact with the entirety of the roof of the mouth. There is an upward, forward and outwards/sideways force. For the forward force a lot of it comes from pressing against the sloped Front Ridges and using the incisive papilla and mid-range palatte for grip via tongue vacuum/suction and friction.  My tongue I estimate is around 50mm when fully expanded so to get it up there at the back I have to curve it into a ∩ shape to fit it between the teeth. The curved sides naturally push sideways and maybe upwards against my back to mid upper teeth which I think is aiding in expansion a lot.

On a less related note; another thing I've noticed is that in the past whenever I moved my jaw forward it used to make 2 distinctive clicky sounds as if I were popping joints. It doesn't do that anymore so I guess my jaw joint is repositioning or rotating? idk. no doubt this is good stuff though

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/03/2018 12:51 pm
Allixa
Estimable Member

That sounds like a good technique. I try and do the same thing too but sometimes I put the tip right on the sloped part as well just to generate even more forward force. My vectors are up and out, but no sideways forces, I just can't get my tongue to fit, thankfully I got an expander to make up for that.

The fact that your jaw clicks are going away is a great sign. It means that your jaw joints are healing, either from forward growth or from remodeling if you are doing chewing a lot. Keep it up.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 31/03/2018 12:22 am
Meltcel
 Meltcel
Guest

Will the sloped part eventually be less sloped? I have heard the ideal maxilla is "flatter" in terms of the roof of the mouth not being as curved.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 03/04/2018 11:27 am
Allixa
Estimable Member
Posted by: Meltcel

Will the sloped part eventually be less sloped? I have heard the ideal maxilla is "flatter" in terms of the roof of the mouth not being as curved.

I've definitely read the same thing, that the ideal palate is flatter and less curved. I don't think I've ever seen a success story about a person who ended up with a less sloped palate from mewing but what I have seen are stories where people said that mewing and chewing helped their teeth to go back 'up'. I wonder if this would help with sloped palatal surfaces?

Here's an example picture:

Same guy. I'm thinking his palate would be less sloped.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 06/04/2018 2:05 am
Allixa
Estimable Member

 mewing and chewing for 1.5 -2 month (mewing almost all time, chewing at least 8 hours a day for that time)

2 falim each side

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 07/04/2018 2:46 am
Abdulrahman
Reputable Member
Posted by: Allixa

 mewing and chewing for 1.5 -2 month (mewing almost all time, chewing at least 8 hours a day for that time)

2 falim each side

 

This is another example of a flawed comparison by the user. In the first picture he is looking down and tucking his jaw creating a double jaw line. In the second he is looking up and jutting his jaw giving him a very defined line. I think if the comparison was done at eye level with no jaw position manipulation the difference would be smaller than what is presented by the user.

my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

ReplyQuote
Posted : 07/04/2018 8:00 am
mscottxy liked
Allixa
Estimable Member

It is definitely a flawed comparison but I think there are still enough results there to prove that chewing gum can make the jawline look different. I mainly see changes in the corners of his jawline. It looks wider and more defined even taking into account the fact that difference between the pictures. It would have been nice if both photos were the exact same but I'll take what I can get for now.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 08/04/2018 5:11 pm
Progress
Member Moderator
Posted by: abdul
This is another example of a flawed comparison by the user. In the first picture he is looking down and tucking his jaw creating a double jaw line. In the second he is looking up and jutting his jaw giving him a very defined line. I think if the comparison was done at eye level with no jaw position manipulation the difference would be smaller than what is presented by the user.

How do you conclude that he must be jutting? As for head tilt, compare brow level with ear level. There's not sufficient difference to fully invalidate the claimed change.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 08/04/2018 6:00 pm
Abdulrahman
Reputable Member

When I look at this comparison the first thing that come to my mind is where did the double jaw line go, and why are the lips covered in the first picture, while in the second the lower lip is sticking out past the top?

If he had his lower jaw hanging down and recessed, engaging his masseters alone to close his jaws (which chewing hard gum promotes) would not make for the difference we are seeing. He would also need to adjust his head posture, release his lower jaw, and much more to get that effect.

In fact, this looks like what happens when taking a portrait of a subject that is interested in looking masculine. They usually jut their jaw and the picture is taken from a lower angle to promote a larger and more defined jawline. Speaking of which, here are the pictures highlighting eye brow difference and more importantly the nose. Notice how in the after you can see the nostrils opening and nose bottom more clearly than the first. That is the first sign to give out the level of the camera.

This picture, like so much stuff floating on the net, is just not a good example. And I do not speak of the intentions of the user. Maybe he made a mistake he was not aware of. Maybe he was just over excited from the results he experienced and was trying hard to make it obvious in the picture. After all, even experts run into those kinds of errors. Look at Dr. Mike Mew grand example below where he is trying to illustrate forward growth but angles the camera slightly off center to the right making the cheek line flatter in the before. With such a small difference he is trying to highlight, a mistake like this throws off the whole comparison.

my story: http://www.aljabri.com/blog/my-story/

ReplyQuote
Posted : 09/04/2018 1:01 am
Progress
Member Moderator

"where did the double jaw line go"

What do you mean?  Double jaw will lessen when mandible is allowed to come forward, regardless of whether such mandibular movement is achieved via jaw jutting or forward structural development.

"If he had his lower jaw hanging down and recessed, engaging his masseters alone to close his jaws (which chewing hard gum promotes) would not make for the difference we are seeing. He would also need to adjust his head posture, release his lower jaw, and much more to get that effect."

Which is why it would be reasonable to assume that change could have been taking place.

 

"In fact, this looks like what happens when taking a portrait of a subject that is interested in looking masculine."

Either the subject is trying to look masculine, or he has achieved the masculine structure others try to emulate. What you have is a hunch with no rational way to conclude either way. I agree that it is not a good comparison photo.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 09/04/2018 10:02 am
EddieMoney
Reputable Member

These results from chewing makes me believe that masseter development is of equal importance to postural changes .

I have known people with bad posture but great jaws just from chewing. 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 05/05/2018 11:01 am
Allixa
Estimable Member

Absolutely. There are many different things that someone can do to help their face develop more or to look better. Posture is just one of the things. Chewing is good, mewing correctly is good, having good nutrition/diet is good, doing physical exercise helps too, etc. If you can manage to put ALL of them together then you should get some really nice results over time.

I remember reading somewhere else the idea that "there are many paths to Rome" and I think that applies here. Everyone has to find their own way forward based on their circumstances and on what helps them the most at any particular point in time. For some people chewing might be a bad idea until they get other things sorted first.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 06/05/2018 12:43 am
Ayla31 and sophie1390 liked
EddieMoney
Reputable Member

For me my issues are much more posture related. I realized I was raised by my grandparents so I think good posture has never really been embedded in me. I don't have a narrow jaw so chewing for me is of minimal priority.

I notice in most people I have met with ideal development that their posture is near immaculate. Mine has always been bad so it makes sense that my bone development is not ideal.

Young Macca is a good posture/development example despite the fact his palate was not super wide.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 06/05/2018 8:52 pm
sophie1390
New Member

I'd be really interested in seeing some women with their results...

I may share mine as well 🙂

ReplyQuote
Posted : 23/05/2018 7:18 am
fight782 and Violet liked
Allixa
Estimable Member
Posted by: sophie1390

I'd be really interested in seeing some women with their results...

I may share mine as well 🙂

Someone left their results in a different thread.

https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/expansion-equals-recession-wait-what-pics/paged/3/

It's at the bottom of the page.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 24/05/2018 1:58 am
sophie1390
New Member

Thank you for sharing!

She looks really good! 🙂

ReplyQuote
Posted : 24/05/2018 12:35 pm
gubbbbb
Eminent Member

I know the angle isn't the same but if you look along my  jaw you can definitely see it getting sharper and filling in 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 04/06/2018 7:59 pm
KXXK
 KXXK
Active Member
Posted by: Allixa

 

 

 

lol this looks like a morph or some botched jaw implants work..... plus his mouth look so narrow in comparison with his jaw........ notice the corved door btw i think it's Photoshope 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 07/06/2018 12:43 pm
KXXK
 KXXK
Active Member
Posted by: gubbbbb

I know the angle isn't the same but if you look along my  jaw you can definitely see it getting sharper and filling in 

really just the angle try to take one now from the same angle and see if there is any diff at all.... 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 07/06/2018 12:45 pm
gubbbbb
Eminent Member
Posted by: KXXK

really just the angle try to take one now from the same angle and see if there is any diff at all.... 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 07/06/2018 7:25 pm
Apollo
Reputable Member

I remember first seeing this before and after picture on the claimingpower site ( http://claimingpower.com/maxilla-up-forwards/ ):

oralmyology3

CP says about the case:

This one impressed me because even the she went from slightly open mouth to closed mouth, there is definite shortening of the distance between her eyes and top lip. In side view you can see why, the maxilla has rotated up & forwards a bit... effectively making the mid-face shorter, & more pronounced jaw line as the mandible swung up & forwards with it. Remember that the condyles of lower jaw remodels very quickly and so it will come forwards overtime, not to mention the shape will also remodel and become flatter.

I remember thinking this was one of the more convincing cases of changes from oral posture in an adult. I just came across a blog post about this patient on the myofunctional therapist's website ( https://www.honorfranklin.com/blog/orofacial-myofunctional-disorders-omds/#more-34 ):

Orofacial Myofunctional Disorders (OMDs) can have a negative impact on facial development and can cause patients to exhibit a dull, sluggish appearance due to their chronic open mouth posture and can appear as though they have “baby fat” in their faces (which is not “baby fat” but is reduced muscle strength) and can exhibit tight, pursed lips when asked to close their lips as seen in the BEFORE photos. Notice the improvement in her facial shape in the AFTER photos. The corners of the eyes are lifted, no double chin, more relaxed symmetrical lips, chin and jaw – a more attractive appearance! OMT not only leads to a more favorable position of the teeth but also enhances the patients’ overall facial appearance. Results like this are another example why IAOM Certified Orofacial Myofunctional Therapists are a necessary part of the orthodontic team in helping orthodontists achieve successful results.

A later post (  https://www.honorfranklin.com/blog/orofacial-myofunctional-therapy-can-help-orthodontists/#more-59 ) includes intraoral pictures for this same case:

Image result for myofunctional therapy

It is worth noting that her treatment involved braces and not just myofunctional therapy alone. She also had her tonsils removed. It appears she had a significant tongue thrust with some anterior open bite. It also looks like she started with a relatively wide intermolar width. The post notes:

If an Orofacial Myofunctional Disorder (OMD) is not corrected, it can be detrimental to a successful orthodontic result and can be a contributing factor to orthodontic relapse. Orofacial Myofunctional Therapy (OMT) corrects muscle patterns which can have a powerful impact on tooth alignment and stabilization. Orofacial Myofunctional Therapy does not replace orthodontic treatment. 

The patient's name is Shay Shull. She's a cookbook author and blogger who writes about her myofunctional therapy in this blog post (  https://mixandmatchmama.com/2014/09/fifty-two-shades-of-shay-myofunctional/ ). Her post includes another before and after comparison:

This picture was taken days before my 25th birthday…as you can see, my teeth don’t touch when I smile, my tongue is ever so slightly poking out between my teeth and my jaws are not even.  My face is also more rounded and less angular.  These are all repercussions of having my tongue in the wrong spot.  They showed me images of what my face would look like if I didn’t get my tongue under control and it was not a good sight.

Here I am at 32…teeth touch, tongue resting on the roof of my mouth (where it should be), jaw still uneven but much improved and my face has more bone structure along with a stronger chin.
This took me three years of myofunctional therapy...I have finally trained my tongue to rest in the proper position and to also be in the proper position while I talk, eat and drink…I’ve trained it so well that it even does it while I sleep (praise the Lord!).

ReplyQuote
Posted : 26/06/2018 3:12 pm
Usum and TGW liked
Apollo
Reputable Member

I haven't been able to find a lot of reviews for myobrace treatment in adults. The results presented on the myobrace website involved the use of traditional braces in addition to the myobrace (  https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/myobrace-effect-and-treatment-time/#post-4686 ). I just came across an old review of the myobrace using the wayback machine to access a now defunct blog which appears to have been active from 2010-2016 ( http://www.autumn-candy.com/2015/12/my-myobrace-journey-part-2.html ). This post is from December of 2015. I cannot find any mention of her age, but she appears to be a young adult. In addition to the improvement in alignment that she mentions, I think it looks like her arches are wider with reduced buccal corridors.  

Sunday, December 27, 2015

My Myobrace Journey - Part 2

 
First of all, I apologize for the super long awaited post of this. I hadn't got time to really get my bump into the seat and type this out because

1. I have yet to get myself a laptop. I'm still using my company's.
2. I am lazy to compile the photos of my teeth progress and post it here.
3. I did a draft a couple of months ago but heck, there's too much editing to be done and I got fed up.

To all those who have emailed me asking about my updates and where I got my Myobrace (some even went through all much stalking to go over all my social media accounts and start bombing me questions as though pressing me to confess some wrong that I have done. Tsk tsk tsk...), I'll be answering your questions slowly in this post.

So there you go, as of today (27 Dec 2016 Singapore time) I had worn my Myobrace for 9 months and a week.

Here's some of my progress pictures that I've took over the last 9 months.

Well... As you can see, I didn't have a perfectly straighten set of teeth. My most impacted tooth on my upper jaw may have become way more aligned now, but it's still not perfectly aligned because there's almost no jaw space for it to come out and I might need to go tooth filing. Furthermore, now I have a tooth gap on the center of my lower jaw as Myobrace have pushed my lower jaw out too much.

Then again, I wasn't expecting a perfectly straight and aligned teeth right from the start but just to at least able to see a nice row of teeth when I smile (which obviously Myobrace have helped me achieve it). Right now I'm just continuing to wear it at night so that it can continue to keep that teeth from shifting. I do consider to get invisalign in the near future when I saved up enough for it since it's sure to be cheaper now for me to do invisalign and the time needed will be way shorter than before but for now I'll just continue to wear my sturdy Myobrace.

As for all that questions which I had received over the past 9 months...

1. Where did you get your Myobrace?

- I got to know Myobrace through a friend who's doing dentistry in Australia. She was doing me a favor when I ordered the Myobrace online and wear it while she will do the following up with me over Skype. I do not know the authenticity of my Myobrace but to me, I'll wear whatever that works so it doesn't bother me that much.

2. Can I also buy the Myobrace?

- I know there's some sellers selling Myobrace online, but I strongly encourage you to go visit your dentist instead of simply buying Myobrace online. After all, I was required to do an X-ray of my teeth and send to my friend in Australia before she even agreed to do the follow up. She's been following up with me these few months on the tongue exercises and breathing that I need to practise in order to work well for Myobrace. And Myobrace isn't just wear to sleep and ta-dah! Straight teeth. You need to put on a lot of effort to change the usual swallowing habits and tongue activity that you've been used to all these years.

3. But you've got great results and I want that too.

- To be honest, it's easy to say that Myobrace is good as you simply wear it to sleep at night and with those practises you can achieve straighter teeth. But it really gets in the way at times when you cough, sneeze and or when there's a need to talk. I ever sneezed while wearing Myobrace that hurts so much my throat got burnt like swallowing hot lava. Also, there are nights when I doze off before brushing my teeth and putting my Myobrace on, and the following morning I can feel my teeth moving back to its crooked state. Plus the fact that I do grind my teeth when I sleep, so it kinda spoils my Myobrace very often. (The one that I'm wearing now is actually my 2nd Myobrace. To spend on 2 Myobrace within a year... It's almost enough for me to get a proper clinic treatment.)

4. I see Myobrace is the cheapest alternative to braces for me. Should you recommend Myobrace since you're using it yourself too?

- I have to say that everything has its pros and cons. While Myobrace is good for people who have relapse cases (like mine for example, because I once had braces before already) and mild misalignment, there are some cases which Myobrace will not be able to help. From what I read online too, some people experienced that they're face got stretched longer and lower jaw becomes much wider after using Myobrace. Some like me got their lower jaw being stretched out slightly too much and got a tooth gap in front. I've also read some who claims that they have parts of their teeth chipped off (???), jaw pains and non stop drooling of saliva at night after wearing Myobrace.

In short, Myobrace is good but it's not suitable for everyone. There are countless times I am very tempted to sell Myobrace online (of cos if I do, I would want to do follow ups like how my friend has been doing for me) but I am not dentistry trained and there are a lot of risks involved. I would still say it's best for you to visit your dentist for consultation before you start on any teeth straightening treatment.

As for me, I would continue wearing Myobrace while waiting for my bonus next month before considering if I should switch to invisalign. =)

 
ReplyQuote
Posted : 22/07/2018 6:13 pm
TGW and Sclera liked
AlphaMinus
Estimable Member
Posted by: ben
Posted by: TGW

PatientZero. Facepulling. In 20s

 

This result is simply incredible. Despite the poor quality of the before/after pictures, one can clearly observe the following:

 

1. Increased orbital support

2. Reduction in height of the midface

3. Restoration of symmetry in the eyes

 

Although I cannot conclusively state this as fact, his lips appear to be in a more-balanced position relative to his facial landmarks. Although his prior asymmetry wasn't horrible, I could tell that there was something "off" about his face. In the "after", he appears much healthier and certainly more approachable. A few minute changes really add up.

I think this is another of those before/after photos that's a little misleading. 

 

1) He has more beard growth in his after pic, which makes his face look fuller. It makes it look wider and gives him a stronger chin (the hair on the bottom of his chin is very sparse in the "before" photo). 

2) He's tilting his head slightly upwards in the "before" photo as compared to the "after." If you trace a line from the bottom of his earlobe to the bottom of his nose, it's a little steeper in the "before" photo. 

3) The lighting is different in both photos. He seems to be a little tan in the "after" photo. Lighting and skin tone can absolutely affect the appearance of dark circles etc. 

4) He's "squinching" his eyes in the after photo, so I'm not sure if it's a good judge of eye support. 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 16/12/2018 12:54 pm
Progress
Member Moderator
Posted by: AlphaMinus
Posted by: ben
Posted by: TGW

PatientZero. Facepulling. In 20s

 

This result is simply incredible. Despite the poor quality of the before/after pictures, one can clearly observe the following:

 

1. Increased orbital support

2. Reduction in height of the midface

3. Restoration of symmetry in the eyes

 

Although I cannot conclusively state this as fact, his lips appear to be in a more-balanced position relative to his facial landmarks. Although his prior asymmetry wasn't horrible, I could tell that there was something "off" about his face. In the "after", he appears much healthier and certainly more approachable. A few minute changes really add up.

I think this is another of those before/after photos that's a little misleading. 

 

1) He has more beard growth in his after pic, which makes his face look fuller. It makes it look wider and gives him a stronger chin (the hair on the bottom of his chin is very sparse in the "before" photo). 

2) He's tilting his head slightly upwards in the "before" photo as compared to the "after." If you trace a line from the bottom of his earlobe to the bottom of his nose, it's a little steeper in the "before" photo. 

3) The lighting is different in both photos. He seems to be a little tan in the "after" photo. Lighting and skin tone can absolutely affect the appearance of dark circles etc. 

4) He's "squinching" his eyes in the after photo, so I'm not sure if it's a good judge of eye support. 

It's a fascinating comparison pic, mostly for the reasons you mention: the perceived changes could technically be achieved by manipulating lens, lightning and camera angle. Yet, it really does seem like there has been clear structural changes too. I tried to make the comparison a bit easier by color correcting the photos and aligning them at the pupils:

ReplyQuote
Posted : 17/12/2018 9:41 am
Apollo
Reputable Member
Ionezide
New Member

Just to add to the discussion. Photos can be different regarding the lens degree of the camera used... and it can deform or make the face better looking/wider. So is good capture the before and after with the same camera lens, or the same device.

https://gizmodo.com/5857279/this-is-how-lenses-beautify-or-uglify-your-pretty-face

Related image

ReplyQuote
Posted : 30/12/2018 10:27 pm
Agendum and Sot liked
surfer2004
New Member
Posted by: AlphaMinus
Posted by: ben
Posted by: TGW

PatientZero. Facepulling. In 20s

 

This result is simply incredible. Despite the poor quality of the before/after pictures, one can clearly observe the following:

 

1. Increased orbital support

2. Reduction in height of the midface

3. Restoration of symmetry in the eyes

 

Although I cannot conclusively state this as fact, his lips appear to be in a more-balanced position relative to his facial landmarks. Although his prior asymmetry wasn't horrible, I could tell that there was something "off" about his face. In the "after", he appears much healthier and certainly more approachable. A few minute changes really add up.

I think this is another of those before/after photos that's a little misleading. 

 

1) He has more beard growth in his after pic, which makes his face look fuller. It makes it look wider and gives him a stronger chin (the hair on the bottom of his chin is very sparse in the "before" photo). 

2) He's tilting his head slightly upwards in the "before" photo as compared to the "after." If you trace a line from the bottom of his earlobe to the bottom of his nose, it's a little steeper in the "before" photo. 

3) The lighting is different in both photos. He seems to be a little tan in the "after" photo. Lighting and skin tone can absolutely affect the appearance of dark circles etc. 

4) He's "squinching" his eyes in the after photo, so I'm not sure if it's a good judge of eye support. Y

Yes he is tilting his head in the first photo, and therefore it should look thinner not wider in the post photo. Try look in the mirror and tilt head upwards, face immediately looks more wide the more it tilts up.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 05/01/2019 6:43 pm
Sub10human
New Member

Woman chews ordinary gum 8 hours a day, ends up with a manly jaw. She needed surgery to fix her jaw. She began experiencing clicking in jaw after 5 years.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183266/I-chewed-gum-seven-hours-day-need-operation-fix-jaw.html

ReplyQuote
Posted : 18/01/2019 3:39 am
JeanMacDougall
Eminent Member

man, almost all of these are either different angles, facial hair, or lens distortion.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 31/01/2019 8:00 pm
mscottxy liked
Mangas77
Eminent Member

Found on Reddit. Has been mewing for 5 months. 19 years old.

 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 07/02/2019 2:17 pm
fairx
New Member
Posted by: Mangas77

Found on Reddit. Has been mewing for 5 months. 19 years old.

 

what is his name?

ReplyQuote
Posted : 14/02/2019 11:15 am
Neigh
Active Member
Posted by: Apollo

I found some before and after photos from an Orthodontist in Colorado named Kent Lauson (  https://www.realself.com/find/Colorado/Aurora/Orthodontist/kent-lauson-dds#photos ). He challenges conventional wisdom about orthodontics, and promulgates the potential for skeletal changes to improve facial form and teeth alignment at any age. He is the author of a book called "Straight Talk about Crooked Teeth." However, scanning its table of contents, I believe the book focuses on treatment options for children and teens. Many of his philosophies seem to be similar to Dr. Mew's, but he uses the term "Dentofacial Orthopedics" rather than "Orthotropics."

I bought the book.

Some excerpts:

The reason for crooked teeth (or dental crowding) is generally because of constricted jaw structures; therefore, a dental bone structural imbalance is present, necessitating FFO.

Essentially, bones change over time due to pressures being placed on them
That is why adverse oral habits, such as thumb sucking, can create facial skeletal growth problems

definition of FFO: the effect of applying therapeutic gentle pressures to reshape facial structures or to reposition them to improve the health and appearance of an individual.

., it corrects bone structures that are narrow or underdeveloped by expanding or enlarging them to bring them into harmony with the rest of the face. Virtually all of the bone structure problems seen are due to underdevelopment. This is where FFO shines and expansion can generally be accomplished within about a four- to six-month period.
The second type of correction is to reposition bone structures, usually by moving the lower jaw forward. While the upper jaw is being expanded, the lower jaw can come forward on its own as it is no longer trapped behind the upper teeth. The use of an FFO appliance, called a bite plate or bite ramp, can also be used to guide the lower jaw forward. This creates a better balance with the rest of the face. A more advanced method of repositioning the lower jaw involves a very specialized type of appliance called a mandibular orthotic, which can correct a TMD by moving the jaw into a more ideal functional position.

A key principle to understand—and one that traditional dentistry has not yet recognized—is that this suture remains viable and living all throughout life and therefore permits significant expansion of the upper jaw at any stage of life.
Dentists and orthodontists, myself included, were incorrectly taught in dental school that this midpalatal suture calcifies over and that the two adjacent bones become fused together at around ages twelve to fourteen.

There are three notable exceptions to nonextraction treatment. The first is when extreme protrusion of the front teeth is present. Typically, this protrusion is the result of a skeletal deficiency, which is a result of growth patterns altered by undesirable oral habits (especially mouth breathing). However, the determination whether to extract teeth or not is made after the expansion with FFO (to be discussed in Key #1) has given the patient the full arch form necessary to make that decision.

For instance, if the upper jaw is narrow and a correction is not made to make a more fully developed arch form (Key #1), then unobstructed nasal breathing (Key #2) and proper forward positioning of the lower jaw (Key #3) will be more difficult to achieve. In addition to that, healthy TMJ function (Key #4) could be compromised, and ideal head posture (Key #5) may be negatively affected.

As is evident by the majority of patients who pass through my office, a narrow or underdeveloped maxilla is the root of almost all orthodontic problems. I have included a review in Appendix C that finds that 95% of the patients in the author's orthodontic practice have a deficient maxilla.

A narrow upper jaw also causes reduction to the nasal breathing capacity, which in severe cases can result in a mouth-breathing habit with many undesired effects. In short, the maxilla is a ground-zero source for many health issues.

The teeth are straight, but the narrowness remains. This result is considered perfectly acceptable for the traditional orthodontist, but leaves the arch forms narrow and can cause many future problems, not the least of which is the narrowness of the smile. For those who are widely concerned with their looks, a well-developed upper jaw creates strong, balanced facial contours and the potential for an unforgettable smile. Consider the parade of cover girls you have seen or the “movie star smile” exemplified by the picture below of the famous actress Julia Roberts. Although she was not a patient of mine, her beautiful smile is a great example of the full, ideally developed maxilla.
From an aesthetic standpoint, the underdeveloped maxilla can cause what cosmetic dentists call “dark triangles.” These are dark, shadowy, triangular-shaped spaces between one's teeth and at the widest corner of one's smile,
These dark triangles indicate that the dental arch form is constricted, causing the front teeth to be accentuated or to appear too large. Many times this is the result of leaving the arch form constricted; no “movie star smile” is achieved, and the dreaded dark triangles remain!

After their maxillas were widened, many of my patients who suffered with asthma felt profound relief with their breathing problems.

Occasionally, a parent may be concerned about changes in facial appearance when considering FFO treatment. The motherly, loving, untrained eye may think little Mary looks just fine. “We don't want our daughter to look funny!” is an occasional response. However, a parent quickly gains confidence when shown before and after photos of previously treated patients. “They look beautiful!” is the standard comment made by the parent. Yes, the power of the maxilla to redefine the face is truly remarkable!

“Brett always seems to be waking up with a sore throat and a stuffy nose,” she fretted. “And in the last few years he's been listless and always looks like he is really tired out. Lately, he can barely force himself to get through the day.”

All of those clues were classic symptoms of the condition known as nasopharyngeal obstruction (NPO). The little guy was a mouth breather!

When a person breathes through his or her mouth in a normal, everyday, nonstressful situation, the body's knee-jerk solution triggers an avalanche of unintended consequences. Left unchecked, these consequences ripple outward to include more and more conditions and disorders that can impact one's health well into adulthood. All in all, I consider NPO possibly the most devastating, but absolutely preventable, facial development problem for a youngster. It's almost impossible to overemphasize how important it is to correct this condition at as young an age as possible.

the act of open-mouthed breathing itself alters the proper placement of the tongue. With the mouth open, the lower jaw is lower, pulling the tongue away from its proper placement, which is up against the roof of the mouth. The dropped posture of the tongue and the subsequent understimulation to the upper jaw leads to the underdevelopment (or narrowing) of the upper arch. This narrowing of the upper jaw (see Chapter 4) leads to the trapping effect of the lower jaw (see Chapter 6) by putting it into a retruded position, meaning it is set too far back in the face. This also leads to other adverse consequences: that of the head going into a forward posture

the inflamed gums were a result of the boy's mouth-breathing habit. Because a dry mouth also dries up saliva, the body's natural decay-preventative substance, tooth decay was also likely.

Other suspected relationships link NPO as a cause for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and attention deficit disorder (ADD and ADHD)

 

You're correct that he mostly talks about teens and children, though he does briefly talk about treating a few adults.

I have the book in EPub/Mobi should anyone want a copy I'd be happy to PM you(it may be a few months before I get back to you, but I promise I will).

While I don't regret buying it, I didn't gain a ton of value from it, because it does focus so much on children and adolescents. I'm still undecided if I'm going to seek supervision for palate expansion, or just rough it myself.

ReplyQuote
Posted : 06/03/2019 4:44 pm
gubbbbb
Eminent Member

1 year

ReplyQuote
Posted : 21/03/2019 3:48 am
Kyte liked
mscottxy
Active Member

you've tilted your head, thrust your jaw out and shaped your beard. 

ReplyQuote
Posted : 29/05/2019 4:55 am
GoTTi
Trusted Member
Posted by: surfer2004
Posted by: AlphaMinus
Posted by: ben
Posted by: TGW

PatientZero. Facepulling. In 20s

 

This result is simply incredible. Despite the poor quality of the before/after pictures, one can clearly observe the following:

 

1. Increased orbital support

2. Reduction in height of the midface

3. Restoration of symmetry in the eyes

 

Although I cannot conclusively state this as fact, his lips appear to be in a more-balanced position relative to his facial landmarks. Although his prior asymmetry wasn't horrible, I could tell that there was something "off" about his face. In the "after", he appears much healthier and certainly more approachable. A few minute changes really add up.

I think this is another of those before/after photos that's a little misleading. 

 

1) He has more beard growth in his after pic, which makes his face look fuller. It makes it look wider and gives him a stronger chin (the hair on the bottom of his chin is very sparse in the "before" photo). 

2) He's tilting his head slightly upwards in the "before" photo as compared to the "after." If you trace a line from the bottom of his earlobe to the bottom of his nose, it's a little steeper in the "before" photo. 

3) The lighting is different in both photos. He seems to be a little tan in the "after" photo. Lighting and skin tone can absolutely affect the appearance of dark circles etc. 

4) He's "squinching" his eyes in the after photo, so I'm not sure if it's a good judge of eye support. Y

Yes he is tilting his head in the first photo, and therefore it should look thinner not wider in the post photo. Try look in the mirror and tilt head upwards, face immediately looks more wide the more it tilts up.

Does anybody else question patient Zero's photographic evidence? I don't. I don't think any type of angle or lighting can emulate what @TGW has pointed out about his before and after.The same goes for Plato and his success as well (especially his nasal bone changes.) his results are solid imo. I think too many people are very reluctant to accept change because of many factors I will not go in depth about. I just want a fair opinion from someone without a bias. @TGW do you feel any different about your initial bullet points about his before and afters? Thanks

ReplyQuote
Posted : 08/07/2019 9:32 pm