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dm222
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Posted by: noises

That's interesting. I thought we had the same pattern of CFD but it seems that my maxilla is sunken whereas yours is "tipped over". My midface is protruding with slight CW rotation and our nasolabial angles appear to be changing in opposite ways. I wonder what the reason for this is, pretty sure it isn't that you used to have a posterior-only tongue posture...

Are you just continuously jutting your jaw forward? Have you thought of doing something like stretching a resistance band against the chin and doing reps?

probably because his anterior tongue posture was against the incisors.

 

Posted by: Progress

 

your posture is much better in the second pic, and you dont look more recessed in the second so I think you had some progress there.

Posted : 06/05/2019 3:35 pm
Progress
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Posted by: noises

That's interesting. I thought we had the same pattern of CFD but it seems that my maxilla is sunken whereas yours is "tipped over". My midface is protruding with slight CW rotation and our nasolabial angles appear to be changing in opposite ways. I wonder what the reason for this is, pretty sure it isn't that you used to have a posterior-only tongue posture...

Yeah, it seems that every case is so unique that it's hard to predict the exact ways someone's face is going to change. I have spent a lot of time trying to create some kind of mental "theory of everything" that could be used to explain the nature of anyone's CFD, but there are so many variables that I don't know how feasible it is. 

As a child I wore retractive headgear that pulled my maxilla back by the molars. Earlier in this journey I used to wonder what was the purpose of such appliance, but in the light of the recent pics it looks like my orthodontists were not completely misguided in their approach.

Are you just continuously jutting your jaw forward? Have you thought of doing something like stretching a resistance band against the chin and doing reps?

I have thought about that, but since all muscles work in opposite pairs, I think it's better to learn to develop a natural, balanced tension within the jaw/tongue musculature instead of forcefully exercising one particular muscle. At the moment, it feels like the jutting and the tongue posture complement and stabilize each other (so to answer your question, yes I'm jutting most of the time). This dynamic should ensure that the pterygoids will, over time, develop as they are meant to. I was also in brief contact with another person who claimed that once he began jutting his jaw out due to insecurity, his whole mandible reshaped itself in positive way in just a couple of months. One thing I have noticed is that while jutting, the lower lip rests against the lower incisors, which has been causing a little soreness in the teeth. I suspect that this may tip the incisors inwards over time, increasing chin projection.

Posted : 07/05/2019 10:10 am
noises
Eminent Member
Posted by: dm222

probably because his anterior tongue posture was against the incisors

Wouldn't that cause bimaxillary protrusion?

Timothee Chalamet seems to have this pattern of recession too. I wonder if it's because the backwards-tilting neurocranium in cohesion with gravity somehow levers the midface outwards.

EDIT: Now I'm realizing that this pattern is everywhere and might even be the standard. Maybe it has more to do with the downswinging jaws creating a CW rotation of the entire lower two thirds. It just seems strange that sometimes the midface has the complete opposite reaction.

Posted : 08/05/2019 2:11 pm
Progress
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Posted by: noises
Posted by: dm222

probably because his anterior tongue posture was against the incisors

EDIT: Now I'm realizing that this pattern is everywhere and might even be the standard. Maybe it has more to do with the downswinging jaws creating a CW rotation of the entire lower two thirds. It just seems strange that sometimes the midface has the complete opposite reaction.

That's possible. Another possibility is that in head forward posture, without the support of the tongue, the frontal bone begins to collapse inward, causing the sphenoid to squeeze the mid-face outward. In the gif you can see that as the nose moves backward, the forehead comes forward.

Posted : 08/05/2019 6:34 pm
mewer113
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Have your wisdom teeth started to peep through from mewing?. im noticing way more space in my mouth compared to when I began my journey back in September 2017, im seeing the front 2 cusps of my mandibular wisdoms coming in

Posted : 08/05/2019 7:23 pm
noises
Eminent Member

@Progress

Do you think this is a matter of late vs. early onset CFD, as in existing structure collapsing vs. misguided growth? I think in the latter case the maxilla is more prone to retrude. Have you examined your childhood pics?

Posted : 09/05/2019 5:54 am
Progress
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@mewer113 None have erupted yet.

@noises That's a a good question. I don't know, but I'm willing to bet that there is a difference between the two.

Posted : 09/05/2019 6:29 am
Pame
 Pame
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Posted by: Progress

@greekgodbrody It's been a very uneven journey. I achieved the majority of the expansion last year, coinciding with the period during which I started taking postural work more seriously.

Could you elaborate on what you did in terms of body work? Also, what improvements have you noticed to your sleep? Seeing as you have expanded quite a bit.

 
Posted : 09/05/2019 7:32 am
Progress
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Posted by: Pame
Posted by: Progress

@greekgodbrody It's been a very uneven journey. I achieved the majority of the expansion last year, coinciding with the period during which I started taking postural work more seriously.

Could you elaborate on what you did in terms of body work? Also, what improvements have you noticed to your sleep? Seeing as you have expanded quite a bit.

 

This is difficult to talk about and may sound like nonsense, but instead of following a specific routine, I have been determined to learn to listen the subtle postural preferences of my own nervous system. I guess it could be described as some kind of self-tailored, ever-changing fusion of yoga, taichi, calisthenics and martial arts. I have learned that when I focus on my body, the nervous system gives these subtle urges to bend my body in a specific way.  I kind of ask my body "where do you want to go?", then I try to allow my bodily intuition to answer this question without thinking rationally about it. It's more like feeling your way into better posture than analyzing (although the latter also has its own valuable role in the grand scheme of things).

I would end up with improvised movements that may look something like rotating my torso like a corkscrew in a semi-squatting position while simultaneously reaching as far as I can into a specific direction with my hands. It's all about generating physical tension that travels throughout your body from toes to fingers and then striving to extend this tension even further, until you are both tensing and stretching the whole musculature at the same time. Think of how a little child would familiarize himself with the limits of his physical body. That is essentially what you are trying to do: discovering new territories in your range of motion.

Breathing has also been a big part of the process. I have practiced using the whole body to support the drawing in of an inhale and the squeezing out of an exhale, searching for the absolute physical maximum into which these two opposite movements can be taken to.

No noticeable changes in quality of sleep.

 
Posted : 09/05/2019 8:10 am
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Achilles1
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This is some fantastic progress Progress! Lookin' like a strong healthy dude now.

So, I am of the opinion that the posterior part of the tongue modifies the position of the sphenoid and zygomatic process, whereas the the tongue tip operates as the vehicle for anterior rotation. In my own experience, I have gotten very wide in the front of my palate, which has unlocked my lower jaw enough to grow in 1/2 of my bottom wisdom teeth. I believe this has happened thanks to the frontal expansion allowing for a sagittal "swing". 

Have you noticed anything similar in your experience while achieving CCW rotation? In other words, have you noticed whether the posterior acts as a "compressor" and the anterior acts as a "rotator"? This might be common knowledge, but I have not seen this mentioned yet...

Posted : 09/05/2019 8:57 am
Progress
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Posted by: Achilles1

This is some fantastic progress Progress! Lookin' like a strong healthy dude now.

So, I am of the opinion that the posterior part of the tongue modifies the position of the sphenoid and zygomatic process, whereas the the tongue tip operates as the vehicle for anterior rotation. In my own experience, I have gotten very wide in the front of my palate, which has unlocked my lower jaw enough to grow in 1/2 of my bottom wisdom teeth. I believe this has happened thanks to the frontal expansion allowing for a sagittal "swing". 

Have you noticed anything similar in your experience while achieving CCW rotation? In other words, have you noticed whether the posterior acts as a "compressor" and the anterior acts as a "rotator"? This might be common knowledge, but I have not seen this mentioned yet...

Thanks Achilles. That's how I see it too. If we think of sphenoid as the center of an imaginary circle, then the anterior palate has the highest radius in relation to it, which means that it's a spot which provides the strongest leverage in terms of achieving maxillary CCW rotation. It seems that posturally I benefit more from favouring the anterior palate than the posterior palate. I think that eventually the palate will rotate so that even forces will be applied naturally by the whole tongue.

 
Posted : 09/05/2019 9:37 am
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Slinky
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what's your IMW now? Mine has not changed for over a year now 🙁

Posted : 18/05/2019 11:21 am
dm222
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IMW is overrated in my opinion. I have a big IMW and still long face and recessed chin

Posted : 18/05/2019 12:52 pm
Progress
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Posted by: Slinky

what's your IMW now? Mine has not changed for over a year now 🙁

I have been plateauing for a while now too, been at 43-44mm since the beginning of the year. I have fairly good idea of how to continue expanding further though, I just want to improve my symmetry first because the asymmetric expansion I was achieving was beginning to make my posture unstable. In my experience, you just have to ram the tongue against the molars and premolars. If the tongue is not touching the teeth, or at least the very ends of the alveoral ridge, not much expansion can be expected. Consider how expander appliances are anchored directly to the teeth. If you want to use the tongue as an organic expander, you have to make it act in similar manner.

 
Posted : 18/05/2019 1:19 pm
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Mangas77
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Do you imply your tongue is big enough to reach these teeth while mewing ? It is absolutely impossible for me, even though I can push my tongue against the very back of my palate.

Posted : 18/05/2019 2:56 pm
dm222
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when you say your chin didnt change, you mean that the jaw didnt move forward? or that the format of the chin is the same?

Posted : 18/05/2019 6:03 pm
ohwhatthehell
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It would be cool if you'd do a clean-shaven comparison picture for your next update.

Posted : 07/06/2019 10:14 pm
skinnyboiii
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@Progress, your forward head posture improved wonderfully. I'm wondering if you can go into more detail about how much of this happened passively (due to the change in tongue posture) and how much of it happened actively. Thanks.

Posted : 09/06/2019 8:36 pm
Progress
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Posted by: ohwhatthehell

It would be cool if you'd do a clean-shaven comparison picture for your next update.

Since there have been several requests for this, will do.

 

Posted by: skinnyboiii

@Progress, your forward head posture improved wonderfully. I'm wondering if you can go into more detail about how much of this happened passively (due to the change in tongue posture) and how much of it happened actively. Thanks.

I have been actively fighting for it. I constantly stretch the highest point of the neck that I can, until I feel a stretch in the beginning of my scalp.  There does not seem to be a clear border between the muscles of the posterior neck and the galea, because both are part of the same fascia (which also connects the heels to the cranium via the hamstrings, hips and the back). Even if your neck looks straight, there is still lots of room for lengthening at the sub-occipital region, which in turn enables further chin tucking etc. In my current view it's this constant stretching and tucking by harnessing the leverage of the posterior tongue that will straighten out the cranial base, rotate the neurocranium forward and ultimately lead to the desirable aesthetic change.

Posted : 14/06/2019 9:34 am
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skinnyboiii
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From your latest update I made an animation to get a clearer sense of your changes. All I did was remove the background and make the transition a little slower. What you see is consistent with what you previously mentioned regarding the forehead, nose, and jaw. Very interesting.

Posted : 25/06/2019 7:50 am
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ohwhatthehell
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I'm really curious to see progress pictures of you without the beard.

Posted : 25/06/2019 1:19 pm
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Elwynn
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@Progress, I have a couple questions, if you don't mind:

 

1. Which of the changes that you have achieved thus far have convinced you that mewing was effective for you?

2. Do you have any theories as to why your mew indicator line has remained the same while your facial structure (seems to have) changed?

24 years old

Posted : 03/07/2019 6:55 pm
dm222
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@Progress

 

 

Will he have new progress pics?

Posted : 12/08/2019 8:00 am
mateogon
Active Member
Posted by: @progress

I meant that I was not officially diagnosed. I self-diagnosed myself, which is why the original degree of curvature remains unknown. Yes, C shape it is then.

@progress Did you fix the problem? How did you do it?

Posted : 05/09/2019 12:03 am
Rockyp33
Reputable Member

Recently i did some neck stretches back ward and to the left and to the right and i noticed a good difference. I have decent head posture but there is SO MUCH tightness back there which made we realize that i cant mew to full potential if the muscles are imbalance so id heavily reccomend just tilting your head back even for one minute and focus on relaxing your traps and neck and youll notice a good difference! also if you sleep quality is lacking or have apnea check out soundly in the app store

Posted : 05/09/2019 11:12 pm
RamonT
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Posted by: @progress
Posted by: Pame
Posted by: Progress

@greekgodbrody It's been a very uneven journey. I achieved the majority of the expansion last year, coinciding with the period during which I started taking postural work more seriously.

Could you elaborate on what you did in terms of body work? Also, what improvements have you noticed to your sleep? Seeing as you have expanded quite a bit.

 

This is difficult to talk about and may sound like nonsense, but instead of following a specific routine, I have been determined to learn to listen the subtle postural preferences of my own nervous system. I guess it could be described as some kind of self-tailored, ever-changing fusion of yoga, taichi, calisthenics and martial arts. I have learned that when I focus on my body, the nervous system gives these subtle urges to bend my body in a specific way.  I kind of ask my body "where do you want to go?", then I try to allow my bodily intuition to answer this question without thinking rationally about it. It's more like feeling your way into better posture than analyzing (although the latter also has its own valuable role in the grand scheme of things).

I would end up with improvised movements that may look something like rotating my torso like a corkscrew in a semi-squatting position while simultaneously reaching as far as I can into a specific direction with my hands. It's all about generating physical tension that travels throughout your body from toes to fingers and then striving to extend this tension even further, until you are both tensing and stretching the whole musculature at the same time. Think of how a little child would familiarize himself with the limits of his physical body. That is essentially what you are trying to do: discovering new territories in your range of motion.

Breathing has also been a big part of the process. I have practiced using the whole body to support the drawing in of an inhale and the squeezing out of an exhale, searching for the absolute physical maximum into which these two opposite movements can be taken to.

No noticeable changes in quality of sleep.

 

Man,

I relate so much to the stuff you're doing, I have been doing all the stuff you mentioned above for years and now i mew and put them all together, IMHO is really the way to go to see total result.

P.S. I have come up with a bunch of weird stretches and exercises, in some of them i use resistance bands, I hope one day i am brave enough to post some of them... they are weird but effective=_=

Posted : 06/09/2019 8:58 pm
PolHolmes
Eminent Member

@progress

"If the tongue is not touching the teeth, or at least the very ends of the alveoral ridge, not much expansion can be expected. Consider how expander appliances are anchored directly to the teeth. If you want to use the tongue as an organic expander, you have to make it act in similar manner."

Therefore do you believe that pushing laterally with your tongue may be more important that pushing up and back? Do you think that upswing is achieved directly by having a larger IMW? Been mewing for the better part of 8 months and my IMW hasn't changed all that much, perhaps I should really direct the force of my tongue laterally and see if it helps.

 
Posted : 09/09/2019 10:10 am
Rockyp33
Reputable Member

@polholmes

I agree for the most part. We all have a slightly different natural tongue possture and we find that through proper swallowing and proper body and neck posture. all we have to do is find that spot for us then apply more force. I think a lot of people find that spot but then change it becuas they hear tongue touching the teeth is bad. That could just mean your tongue needs more room!! so let it place naturally then apply force

Posted : 10/09/2019 10:45 pm
dm222
Trusted Member

Hi,

did you gave up on mewing?

Posted : 21/10/2019 4:17 pm
Progress
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Posted by: @dm222

Hi,

did you gave up on mewing?

Still here. I'll post an update when there is something worth sharing.

Posted : 24/10/2019 6:45 am
mscottxy
Active Member

is it possible your skull is economising on bone mass, where as your palate widens it also shortens? It looks like your jaw are retracting. In other words you're not developing any new bone, but are just spreading the existing tissue elsewhere.

Posted : 25/11/2019 8:09 pm
facegettingworseandworse
Eminent Member
Posted by: @progress
Posted by: Pame
Posted by: Progress

@greekgodbrody It's been a very uneven journey. I achieved the majority of the expansion last year, coinciding with the period during which I started taking postural work more seriously.

Could you elaborate on what you did in terms of body work? Also, what improvements have you noticed to your sleep? Seeing as you have expanded quite a bit.

 

This is difficult to talk about and may sound like nonsense, but instead of following a specific routine, I have been determined to learn to listen the subtle postural preferences of my own nervous system. I guess it could be described as some kind of self-tailored, ever-changing fusion of yoga, taichi, calisthenics and martial arts. I have learned that when I focus on my body, the nervous system gives these subtle urges to bend my body in a specific way.  I kind of ask my body "where do you want to go?", then I try to allow my bodily intuition to answer this question without thinking rationally about it. It's more like feeling your way into better posture than analyzing (although the latter also has its own valuable role in the grand scheme of things).

I would end up with improvised movements that may look something like rotating my torso like a corkscrew in a semi-squatting position while simultaneously reaching as far as I can into a specific direction with my hands. It's all about generating physical tension that travels throughout your body from toes to fingers and then striving to extend this tension even further, until you are both tensing and stretching the whole musculature at the same time. Think of how a little child would familiarize himself with the limits of his physical body. That is essentially what you are trying to do: discovering new territories in your range of motion.

Breathing has also been a big part of the process. I have practiced using the whole body to support the drawing in of an inhale and the squeezing out of an exhale, searching for the absolute physical maximum into which these two opposite movements can be taken to.

No noticeable changes in quality of sleep.

 

@progress

Hey dude

How flexible do you consider yourself? both in general and compared to yourself in 2016?

also, any quick tips about how we can listen to our own body?does propioception help with this?

I have actually also found myself in a similar squatted postition while rotating hips one way and torso/shoulders the other way(which i got from you)

Have you researched the J shaped spine and esker gohhale?I bought her books 8 steps to pain free back. I assume when I fix my upper back curve and neck posture the maxilla will rotate much more easily.

In the book she talks about how many people "park" our hips too far forward, lean too far onto the mid foot, tuck in the hips too much and lock the knees. 

When I stick my butt out slighly, the lower spine feels more "free" and I find my knees naturally bend a little, and more weight goes onto the heel (back foot)

this also seems to be the posture of toddlers

thanks

Posted : 21/12/2019 6:04 pm
Kyte
 Kyte
Estimable Member
Posted by: @facegettingworseandworse

does propioception help with this?

Absolutely yes, that's the main point. No one can help you if you are not able to help yourself

Posted by: @facegettingworseandworse

When I stick my butt out slighly, the lower spine feels more "free" and I find my knees naturally bend a little, and more weight goes onto the heel (back foot)

Maybe It works on you, but as a general rule, It doesn't make sense to me.

The spine naturally has two gentle curves . Those curves get too sharp due to bad posture: rounded shoulders causing hunchback and , if you do like that, lordosis. 

Heel striking while walking or even running Is an absolute curse imposed by mainstream shoes that are over cushioned on the heel exactly forcing you to stand like that. I Just went for a walk in my minimalist shoes to prove it to myself.

The stride (particularly while running) has to swing between the mid-external and front foot, the ball.

Apparentely the weight should be discharged on the mid-external foot, so to avoid valgus knee.

If Stick your butt out you won't use any or little muscles (maybe that's why you feel It "free") preventing them to help to support the spine making it to collapse on itself.

Same for rounded shoulders

This is no sense. Like ... Just what ? 

If you want to collect something from the ground, use you legs!

https://yogaanatomyacademy.com/j-shaped-spine/

In particular point 4

And by the way, you don't want to have toddler's posture for obvious reasons

Trust me if I say that everything I wrote comes from my experience and PROPRIOCEPTION and not biased external knowledge.

I went to check what causes valgus knees to confim

  • "Anterior Pelvic Tilt – If the front of your pelvis tends to be tilted downwards in an anterior pelvic tilt, this can cause the hips to internally rotate forcing the knees to point inwards."

That happens if you Stick the butt out

https://www.drbodygadget.com/knee-valgus/

Pay attention to what causes flat feet too

 

 

Posted : 22/12/2019 6:38 am
RamonT
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Posted by: @kyte
Posted by: @facegettingworseandworse

does propioception help with this?

Absolutely yes, that's the main point. No one can help you if you are not able to help yourself

Posted by: @facegettingworseandworse

When I stick my butt out slighly, the lower spine feels more "free" and I find my knees naturally bend a little, and more weight goes onto the heel (back foot)

Maybe It works on you, but as a general rule, It doesn't make sense to me.

The spine naturally has two gentle curves . Those curves get too sharp due to bad posture: rounded shoulders causing hunchback and , if you do like that, lordosis. 

Heel striking while walking or even running Is an absolute curse imposed by mainstream shoes that are over cushioned on the heel exactly forcing you to stand like that. I Just went for a walk in my minimalist shoes to prove it to myself.

The stride (particularly while running) has to swing between the mid-external and front foot

Apparentely the weight should be discharged on the mid-external foot, so to avoid valgus knee.

If Stick your butt out you won't use any or little muscles preventing them to help to support the spine making it to collapse on itself.

Same for rounded shoulders

This is no sense. Like ... Just what ? 

If you want to collect something from the ground, use you legs!

https://yogaanatomyacademy.com/j-shaped-spine/

In particular point 4

 

And by the way way, you don't want to have toddler's posture for obvious reasons

 

I don't agree with her.

The hollow position is the way to go 24/7 until one gets used to it and in time it'll be the neutral spine position, free of lower back pain and good posture.

 

 

 

Posted : 22/12/2019 11:39 am
FanaticMind
Active Member

Are those two different people?

(the one with the eyes revealed and the one with them blocked)

Posted : 29/01/2020 9:09 pm
Authority
Active Member

@Progress

How is it going? Do you see improvements? I'm curious about your case since you are kind of my hope to see if mewing can really work in adults.

 

Posted : 13/02/2020 4:13 am
Azrael
Estimable Member
Posted by: @greensmoothies

Also, yes sleeping on the back when I do this seems counterproductive, Mew has mentioned that back sleeping isn't ideal for bringing the maxilla up and forwards as well. I haven't seen evidence of mewing bringing the maxilla up and forward yet, so these manual adjustments have proven to me to be quite helpful.

Where was this said?

Posted : 06/03/2020 4:42 pm
Greensmoothies
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Posted by: @azrael
Posted by: @greensmoothies

Also, yes sleeping on the back when I do this seems counterproductive, Mew has mentioned that back sleeping isn't ideal for bringing the maxilla up and forwards as well. I haven't seen evidence of mewing bringing the maxilla up and forward yet, so these manual adjustments have proven to me to be quite helpful.

Where was this said?

I don't recall. Mew tends to drop information that's important for learning technique, theory and best practices in all his videos.

Remember this pain... and let it activate you.

Posted : 06/03/2020 5:19 pm
Azrael
Estimable Member
Posted by: @greensmoothies
Posted by: @azrael
Posted by: @greensmoothies

Also, yes sleeping on the back when I do this seems counterproductive, Mew has mentioned that back sleeping isn't ideal for bringing the maxilla up and forwards as well. I haven't seen evidence of mewing bringing the maxilla up and forward yet, so these manual adjustments have proven to me to be quite helpful.

Where was this said?

I don't recall. Mew tends to drop information that's important for learning technique, theory and best practices in all his videos.

But wouldn't sleeping on one side cause/deteriorate asymmetries? You definitely can't apply pressure equally in a side sleeping position.

Posted : 07/03/2020 12:40 am
Greensmoothies
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Posted by: @azrael
Posted by: @greensmoothies
Posted by: @azrael
Posted by: @greensmoothies

Also, yes sleeping on the back when I do this seems counterproductive, Mew has mentioned that back sleeping isn't ideal for bringing the maxilla up and forwards as well. I haven't seen evidence of mewing bringing the maxilla up and forward yet, so these manual adjustments have proven to me to be quite helpful.

Where was this said?

I don't recall. Mew tends to drop information that's important for learning technique, theory and best practices in all his videos.

But wouldn't sleeping on one side cause/deteriorate asymmetries? You definitely can't apply pressure equally in a side sleeping position.

Unlikely to cause asymmetry in adulthood. Engage a suction hold, with sideways pressure if you can. Your tongue probably just isn't strong enough yet to ensure even forces. There's a technique from Gokhale to sleep on the side with good posture too.

Remember this pain... and let it activate you.

Posted : 07/03/2020 2:56 am
Azrael
Estimable Member
Posted by: @greensmoothies

Unlikely to cause asymmetry in adulthood.

Adults can change the whole face but unlikely to cause asymmetry? That sounds counter-intuitive?

If adults can cause negative or positive effects to the face via exertion of pressure, I don't see how favouring one side to sleep on wouldn't affect the face from uneven application of tongue pressure, even from a suction hold. And what about the force exerted from the bed on the side of the face?

My father sleeps on his back and doesn't seem to have any asymmetry on his face. I, on the other hand, used to roll all over the bed until I started mewing 6-7 weeks ago and my face is riddled with asymmetries. I know correlation isn't causation but well, there's that.

I was thinking of sleeping on my back (already doing it) with the bed inclined a few degrees higher as I read it was good for your general health. I could probably engage the posterior third more in my sleep if I do that, which I'm having trouble with right now.

But side sleeping does have its own benefits too, I must admit. Especially regarding the glymphatic transport and prevention of neurodegeneration.

Posted by: @greensmoothies

There's a technique from Gokhale to sleep on the side with good posture too.

Yeah, I'll go ahead and read that, thanks for linking it.

 

Posted : 07/03/2020 5:22 am
Greensmoothies
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Posted by: @azrael
Posted by: @greensmoothies

Unlikely to cause asymmetry in adulthood.

Adults can change the whole face but unlikely to cause asymmetry? That sounds counter-intuitive?

If adults can cause negative or positive effects to the face via exertion of pressure, I don't see how favouring one side to sleep on wouldn't affect the face from uneven application of tongue pressure, even from a suction hold. And what about the force exerted from the bed on the side of the face?

My father sleeps on his back and doesn't seem to have any asymmetry on his face. I, on the other hand, used to roll all over the bed until I started mewing 6-7 weeks ago and my face is riddled with asymmetries. I know correlation isn't causation but well, there's that.

I was thinking of sleeping on my back (already doing it) with the bed inclined a few degrees higher as I read it was good for your general health. I could probably engage the posterior third more in my sleep if I do that, which I'm having trouble with right now.

But side sleeping does have its own benefits too, I must admit. Especially regarding the glymphatic transport and prevention of neurodegeneration.

Posted by: @greensmoothies

There's a technique from Gokhale to sleep on the side with good posture too.

Yeah, I'll go ahead and read that, thanks for linking it.

 

Torticollis, for example, can result in favouring a certain side to sleep on. I think your tongue is applying pressure unevenly while side-sleeping because it's currently too weak to apply it evenly. Mew has videos on how to strengthen the tongue.

Remember this pain... and let it activate you.

Posted : 07/03/2020 5:30 pm
healthyfacehealthylife
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Hello, you're progress is very inspiring.

Do you mind giving a run down of your technique? I seem to have the same problem you have but to a much worse degree. My maxilla is much further back and down which has caused my mandible to rotate. Due to the mandible rotation my back molars don't touch like they should and use too. I also have a musculature tear on my right quad due to this. I've been like a hermit for the last decade and I finally found this site...Hopefully it will help.

Posted : 20/04/2020 4:18 pm
auxiliary
Estimable Member

I don't think your skull moved, I think your face moved and so your posture got a lot better. The shape of the front maxilla changed a lot as well, it's grown upwards and forward. Also looks like the whole maxilla moved slightly forward and rotated clockwise, making your eyes deeper.

Posted : 02/05/2020 3:59 pm
Loliboly
Estimable Member

@Progress

What techniques did you do during this time span? And what is your current technique like?

Posted : 03/05/2020 4:59 pm
Azrael
Estimable Member
Posted by: @progress

I kept molars in contact in both pics.

Do you still keep your molars in contact?

I've seen both kinds of people—those who keep their molars in contact and those who don't—make steady progress with mewing.

What in yout opinion is optimal?

Posted : 10/05/2020 2:36 pm
auxiliary
Estimable Member
Posted by: @ovosoundszn

I still can't understand how high IQ posters like yourself can't seem to get good results but love talking about mewing all day and saying things like "x changed" or "after doing z i feel like my y is bigger/different". bro be real this community is an echo chamber and you being mod contributes to that. Look how salludon produced insane results from simple technique yet you high iq posters dive into it and can't reproduce anything. It makes me wonder if mewing only works for the select few and yet so many people want it to work for them. All these replies on your thread with people complimenting you saying you got change when all the change can be accounted for by bad pictures/ lense distortion. Again I don't want to hate man, i really don't, I apologize for my out burst yesterday as well.

           But in the end all you maybe got is skull tilting and your face looks the same :(. All Im trying to say is communities like these are echo chambers and really just feeds the skeptics as no one can really reproduce results. And bro i feel you cuz im goin through it too rn  and it sucks but it is what it is. Some of us were meant to be great in this life some were not. Even the drastic varying in mewing results proves this.

Overall ban me , or shadow ban me whatever. and bro atleast reply to me privately telling me why you deleted this comment and why ur gonna ban me etc. I just want ppl to keep it real and call each other out because mewing isn't going to progress to the mainstream like this. Because the goal of this mewing movement in the long run should be to prevent future generations from having to go through what we did. Man if only things were different for us fr.

Again no hate im a loser irl it is what it is man. Im not trying to say im better than you or anything cuz im not. I really wish you the best and all the ppl on this forum because lets be real, no one wants to be here. we all wanted to have good faces and live life like normal people not knowing what mewing even is. again ban me idc.

I'm sorry your dream to become a model isn't feasible. It is what is is, mewing slight changes, mostly improving airway and thus improving health(better sleep, etc..). It's not going to make you much more attractive, that's the fact, unless you start when you're still in puberty.

But mewing is still legit in adults.

This is what you should expect :

  • Better breathing, I used to be unable to breath through nose during exercise, now it's natural.
  • No snoring, thus better sleep quality.
  • Increase in IMW and ICW.
  • Slightly better profile or at least prevent worsening of profile.

Here's a study showing inter-canine width had impressive changes following tongue posture, I personally went from V-shaped palate to U-shaped one as well :

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Influence-of-Myofunctional-Therapy-on-Upper-Moschik-Pichelmayer/d7e8771dff1b7ea0f43bb85b0c5312f8a81af0a8

 

And again I'm sorry that you can't become a model through mewing, you probably need a much better lower third for that, unfortunately mewing doesn't stimulate much ramus/mandible growth in either direction.

Now I may never improve my side profile or mandible projection, but I'm grateful I found this website and can at least breath through my nose at all times and sleep without snoring. At least my profile won't worsen over time as well.

Btw even though @Azrael may disagree, it's obvious that Salludon did surgeries. He's from looksmax btw, where surgeries are common.

 

Posted : 12/05/2020 4:59 pm
auxiliary
Estimable Member
Posted by: @azrael
Posted by: @progress

I kept molars in contact in both pics.

Do you still keep your molars in contact?

I've seen both kinds of people—those who keep their molars in contact and those who don't—make steady progress with mewing.

What in yout opinion is optimal?

Tension in mastication muscles is required for the genioglossus to produce any effect, otherwise it'll just push the mandible backwards. It's not necessarily the teeth in contact, but the counter-force from all the masticatory and assisting muscles.

Posted : 12/05/2020 5:10 pm
auxiliary
Estimable Member
Posted by: @ovosoundszn

@auxiliarus Ok wow ur citing health benefits when people have achieved insane facial improvements from mewing. Also Im justing calling out this community in general for talking all day about their changes but not posting pics.

 bro either post your pics or stop talking about your results like thats how i feel. 

Be real with me bro, the reason people are here is not for health improvements, there here because there social/dating life isn't that good(or non existent ) and they need to improve their face. 

And i agree your expectations are very realistic and that's what we all should probably expect because only the select few get insane/good results.

 

edit: also saying salludon got surgery is cope. how can he post two update pics with increasingly better results. its not like he got two surgeries/ fillers injections

You're making a lot of assumptions, a lot of people here are just your average blokes who want to look like all the actors on the TV. Either way, those changes I outlined are already enough to always perma-mew. Also I haven't yet seen one change that was insane and wasn't a result of puberty or surgery. Jamo was 16 when he started, he didn't look post-pubertal either(translation : he still looked like a child).

As for salludon's before-afters he literally just pulled his hyoid upwards, grew a beard and changed his camera angle. I'm specifically talking about his crazy cheek-line he posted, that's surgery.

 

Posted : 12/05/2020 5:23 pm
auxiliary
Estimable Member
Posted by: @ovosoundszn

@auxiliarus there you go again always talking about theory like you know something. When in reality your forced to rot here because ur ugly/have no friends. Don't respond to me its fine but in the end of they day ur the one with minor health improvements sitting infront of a computer screen getting ur ego stroked because you made up some mewing theory. obviously you can't prove any of your theory or get results. haha crazy world. 

It's a shame you're hurt by your appearances, I hope you find out appearances aren't everything. You don't have to project your insecurities on others, it's not going to help you feel better.

And I don't have to prove anything, the medical journal I posted did that for me.

 

Posted : 12/05/2020 5:25 pm
auxiliary
Estimable Member
Posted by: @ovosoundszn

@auxiliarus bro if you think appearances aren't everything idk what world you live on. Like how many hours are you gonna spend on this site until you realize ur a loser like the rest of us. Keep coping saying salludon didn't get results when your the same person riding @progress when be real he got NO results. And if somehow his results are real/ not frauded they are NEGLIGIBLE in real life.

Interesting world view, very shallow, watching too much MTV? Get out in the nature, friend. Also why are you hating on Progress? Guy is sexy, his looks are good, he doesn't have strong projection, but he looks manly so it's fine. Most users that post pictures here all look okay, your standards are really too high. You think if you don't look like a model and slutty girls from the clubs won't approach you that means you have no life, typical guy hurt for never having a good relationship with a female. Probably some abnormalities in your relationship with your mother/father as well, maybe see a psychologist?

Posted : 12/05/2020 5:33 pm
Progress
Member Moderator
Posted by: @ovosoundszn

I still can't understand how high IQ posters like yourself can't seem to get good results but love talking about mewing all day and saying things like "x changed" or "after doing z i feel like my y is bigger/different". bro be real this community is an echo chamber and you being mod contributes to that. Look how salludon produced insane results from simple technique yet you high iq posters dive into it and can't reproduce anything. It makes me wonder if mewing only works for the select few and yet so many people want it to work for them. All these replies on your thread with people complimenting you saying you got change when all the change can be accounted for by bad pictures/ lense distortion. Again I don't want to hate man, i really don't, I apologize for my out burst yesterday as well.

           But in the end all you maybe got is skull tilting and your face looks the same :(. All Im trying to say is communities like these are echo chambers and really just feeds the skeptics as no one can really reproduce results. And bro i feel you cuz im goin through it too rn  and it sucks but it is what it is. Some of us were meant to be great in this life some were not. Even the drastic varying in mewing results proves this.

Overall ban me , or shadow ban me whatever. and bro atleast reply to me privately telling me why you deleted this comment and why ur gonna ban me etc. I just want ppl to keep it real and call each other out because mewing isn't going to progress to the mainstream like this. Because the goal of this mewing movement in the long run should be to prevent future generations from having to go through what we did. Man if only things were different for us fr.

Again no hate im a loser irl it is what it is man. Im not trying to say im better than you or anything cuz im not. I really wish you the best and all the ppl on this forum because lets be real, no one wants to be here. we all wanted to have good faces and live life like normal people not knowing what mewing even is. again ban me idc.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your concerns with the community. While I did not personally delete any posts from you, it seems that yours were deleted because you were harassing @eddiemoney for pictures and engaging in low quality discourse. Rudeness and purposelessness are the main reasons we delete posts for (our stance is that those who are unable to discuss in a mature manner should simply go elsewhere, as the internet is full of communities where you can engage in low effort banter). Repeatedly telling us to ban you is weird and self-centered -- you are free to come and go however you wish so long as you don't make it your mission to purposefully break the few modest rules we have. I am sure you'll find this a reasonable request.

As of now, it is unclear who can or can't expect results, and to what extent adults can change. You are right that it's not a strong position to be in. My personal view is that it is better to exhaust every possibility than to quit halfway through. You raise a valid point about the questionable legitimacy of the pictures I have shared. The difficulty of capturing minute changes is why I am currently withholding from making further updates until the changes are more substantial. 

Lastly, I fail to see how we are an echo chamber. Of course, we are all pursuing the same objective, but in no way do we limit the discourse or censor contradicting views. Skeptics are free to voice their opinions. It's just that skeptics tend not to stick around. Perhaps they realize that they are not getting much echo for their views move on. That's understandable.

I hope that you are able to find a way to make life work out for you, because it doesn't sound like you are happy with where you are now. There is more to life than being good looking. While looks fade, no one can take what's within you away from you. The little guy inside you is what matters in the end, not the weirdo you see in the mirror. If you have anything to add, let's continue in PM.

Posted : 12/05/2020 5:51 pm
Robbie343
Trusted Member

Damn and here I thought I was clicking to get a Progress update! 🙂 

Banter like this really sours this place. There’s so much knowledge on here that even Dr. Mew himself wants to engage with these high IQ posters.

This is the only forum I know of where people can find out about health issues related to the facial structure and without it I wouldn’t be down a path towards hopefully fixing my chronic pain. 

@Progress @TGW you guys are awesome. 

Posted : 12/05/2020 6:58 pm
Progress
Member Moderator

@azrael 

@auxiliarus

Please continue this in private, I will be locking this thread until my next update.

Posted : 13/05/2020 4:40 pm
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