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Premolar extraction reversal treatment  

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Anon477
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Hi all,

I’m thinking of proceeding with the premolar extraction reversal treatment.

As I am aware they put in implants when the spaces are open. However I’m not looking to get implants as I’d rather They move my molars forward to fill the space as I have heard this is an alternative option.

Any thoughts?

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Posted : 13/12/2019 7:17 am
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darkindigo
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@anon477 It can sink the eyes back.  If there’s a void..it tends to get filled a bit with the eyes.  So...I’d prob get the implants.

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Posted : 16/12/2019 6:23 pm
Anon477
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@darkindigo

Ah, thought so..

So much money for fixing a mistake :/

Do you reckon I should just mew instead? 

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Posted : 18/12/2019 3:24 am
Loliboly
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How does this kind of treatment work? I suppose you extracted your teeth since you lacked oral space, so does that mean you are going to expand your palate somehow before having the implants?

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Posted : 18/12/2019 9:12 pm
entelechy
Trusted Member

Hello--if anyone is interested in taking my survey on premolar extraction consequences, I send a full three page overview of ALL possible reversal techniques, from SFOT to MSE to FAGGA to Implants, pluses and minuses.

Here's the survey:  https://forms.gle/F5LEdN9ujjiMu4Mt6

As for the info in my overview:   it comes from interviews with over 150 doctors, from Won Moon to Bill Hang....and readings of hundreds of research articles in medical journals.

entelechy

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Posted : 26/03/2020 3:45 am
entelechy
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@loliboly  actually that is not always the case:  the jaws could naturally have grown more but are stunted from growing due to the elastic bands (indeed the president of the American Association of Orthodontics sternly recommended that extractions be done only after age 15, when the jaws are fully grown).

But you have a good point.   To do reversal you actually have to reverse not only  the teeth missing, but expand the jaws so as to get back the necessary tongue space.      Getting the implants involves moving teeth: the incisors forward and the molars backward which will also "widen" the mouth as these need to tilt out in order to move.

 

 

 

 

entelechy

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Posted : 26/03/2020 3:49 am
entelechy
Trusted Member

please help me out and take this survey if you have already had premolar extractions:   it's to get statistics on how many get negative consequences  for advocacy work to help victims get reimbursed for reversal costs.

 

entelechy

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Posted : 11/05/2020 1:14 am
ExtractionsRuinFaces
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@darkindigo Can you clarify what you mean by this? I seem to be misunderstanding a bit. I had ALF appliance at the age of 17-18 in 2012 and while it somewhat worked, I think the results were limited due to me not knowing how to maintain correct oral posture. I have gaps not quite the size of a full premolar where the premolars usually are. What does this mean exactly with what you're saying? 

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Posted : 12/05/2020 9:35 pm
toomer
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Posted by: @entelechy

indeed the president of the American Association of Orthodontics sternly recommended that extractions be done only after age 15, when the jaws are fully grown

Boy ... that just makes my blood boil.  They ripped my four out at age 11.  I don't blame my parents, because they could never have known ... but this really pisses me off at the entire field of Orthodontics.

Hopefully the DNA appliance can reverse some of this damage that I've apparently suffered with for decades.

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Posted : 26/05/2020 11:27 pm
entelechy
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Yes, I used to blame my mother---until I realized this scandal was far bigger than she.   Extraction consequences have been known in medical literature since 1940 when the procedure was invented.   In 1986, there was a lawsuit, where a girl won 1.3 million dollars for her "mutilated" jaws due to extraction retraction.

Nobody should have had this procedure after this 1986. verdict   Want to make your blood boil more?  The American Association of Orthodontics commissioned articles after the lawsuit to deny any consequences to the jaws of extraction consequences.   They paid off dozens of researchers.    They wanted to prevent copy cat lawsuits.   50% of all kids in braces had had this procedure by 1986.    After the lawsuit, without a word, it dropped to 25%.

My own blood boils constantly about this:   am preparing a class action law suit in the US.   

Did you ever take my survey?   All responders get a detailed overview that describes all the consequences of extraction orthodontics, the history of the scandal and the class action law suit.

If you have already taken it, send me an email, and I will send you the updated report.

If not, please do take it and post it on.   It's up to 490 respondents: 67% of which are unhappy with the aesthetic  results.  More than 80% report the same four symptoms.

Important to take===  once I get to 1000 respondents, will be launching the class action.   Everyone should have their reversal costs paid for by the American Association of Orthodontics.

 

Here it is:  please forward on your social media.  

 

 

entelechy

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Posted : 27/05/2020 1:25 am
entelechy
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@loliboly  I review the pros and negatives of implants versus pushing teeth forward in my review of reversal procedures (sent to all survey responders).

I interviewed about 40 doctors on this question.  There are pros and negatives to each approach

 

entelechy

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Posted : 27/05/2020 1:27 am