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My journey to widen my maxilla without a orthodontist  

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Cassius
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At age 19 I started my 2 year orthodontist treatment that didn't solve any problema and costed me 4500 euros. I started studying Mike's Mew theories and now, after 8 months of proper mewing, I want to start widenind my maxilla.

Now I have a intermolar width of 33.7mm, very hard for me to place my tongue on the top of the mouth during night. Almost imposible.

I now have my device ready made by a laboratory but nobody of the 10 orthodontist that I have contacted wants to install it.

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Is it hard to install it by my self? Dam I'm already 26 and ****ed by sleep apnea. Help please.

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Posted : 17/05/2018 5:39 pm
mscottxy
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take before and after xrays and make sure its your maxilla/palate widening and not just molar flaring

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Posted : 17/05/2018 5:49 pm
Cassius
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ok thanks. I had x rays last week, I'm ready to start but nobody wants to install it. They all want to take as much money as they can from me by "studing the case". Same answer to more tan 10 phonecalls now...

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Posted : 17/05/2018 6:06 pm
test151515
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I think the DNA appliance, the Biobloc stage 1, the Homeoblock appliance, or the ALF appliance would be a better choices for palatal expansion. The ALF works more slowly than the other devices but allows for better tongue involvement in the process.

However, I believe most palatal expanders can work well assuming you do not expand rapidly. Expand at a slow or a semislow rate. What this means in numbers I do not have in my head right now, google it.

I really hope you can find a way to expand your dental arches. There are many documented cases of adults expanding their palates using devices such as the ones listed above. In particular the DNA appliance I believe have many recently documented cases. So there should be plenty of information you can find and provide to doctors so that they understand it is very possible to achieve even in adults. There are studies published in peer reviewed journals that prove that it is possible, these are probably the ones you might want to show to the doctors you want to convince.

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Posted : 17/05/2018 6:20 pm
Keengo
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I'm wondering this too. I can't afford these things professionally, but I would have no idea how to set one up myself and use it if I were to buy the expander itself. Maybe some "underground dentist" can help me figure that out? LOL. It seems this is a hard trick to skip without professional help.

 

 

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Posted : 17/05/2018 6:50 pm
Cassius
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Here I'am. I finally managed to modify the device and made it a removable expander. I already made 3 turns of expansion (0.75mm) and I measured an expansion of my intermolar widht of about 0.4 mm. The modified defice is not very confortable and I'm trying to wear it as much as I can, at least 6 hours a day. I also tryed to sleep with it and made it 4/5 nights. I used a hold retainer that I used after the orthodontic treatment, two different glues and a cutter to define it and make as little as possible. Expansion started day 20 of may.

How fast can I go? I was thinking about 1mm a month.

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Posted : 03/06/2018 5:37 pm
Cassius
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Posted : 03/06/2018 5:48 pm
Apollo
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I would be concerned about the toxicity of these glues. Be careful. It is easy to cause more harm than good!

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Posted : 03/06/2018 6:09 pm
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Apollo
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@admin has been dissuading people from attempting unsupervised palate expansion because of the risks: 

Posted by: TGW

I personally would have done the same if I had not stopped using the expander altogether. 

Be very very very careful with the areas that you are experiencing irritation with the mucosa - it is a very thin wedge of flesh between the expander acrylic and the teeth roots. The roots of the teeth are not soft -they're the exact same as the rest of the tooth, just under the gums. So the places where you have irritation of the mucosa are being pressed between two hard surfaces - be careful.

Another user contacted me about how they were feeling irritation in one area, and then one day noticed that they had accidentally wore through the gum and had exposed a tiny bit of the root of their molar.

After keeping the expander out for a week the gums began to heal, but it took over a month to repair fully - but they were young (high 20s) so they had that capability.  That user promised me they'd stop using the expander, and after that I now push for tongue posture above all else and do not recommend any new users attempt using an expander. 

Maybe the "Adult Palate Expansion Progress" article should be updated with a warning.

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Posted : 03/06/2018 8:14 pm
Cassius
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I take the risk anyway. For the moment I have no other chance to do it because of the place where I live and the job situation. I just want to take from 2 to 3 mm with this device and then stop for a while and try to order a myobrace.

The toxicity of glue is taken in count and for the moment it doesnt seem to be an issue. No strange reaction of my body.

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Posted : 03/06/2018 8:42 pm
Apollo
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I admire your determination, and I know how it can feel like a couple mm are make-or-break for tongue posture since I started with about the same intermolar width. I just wonder if you could have embedded the metal framework into parts of a thermoplastic mouthguard or some other non-toxic material. Does it press against your alveolar ridge or just your teeth? I'm concerned about how uncomfortable you say it is. Is the discomfort in your teeth or gums? If you start having side effects like teeth tipping, gum recession, and ulcers, please don't ignore the warnings signs! Here is a case where removable expanders caused more harm than good even with professional supervision:

https://the-great-work.org/community/case-discussions/cautionary-palate-expander-case/#

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Posted : 03/06/2018 10:49 pm
Cassius
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Keep going. I had an half turn (0.125mm) on 5th of june and another today, so I'm now at 1mm of expansion, my goal is to expand 2mm and then try to mantein the results and see what appens.

No pain, sometimes I have disconfort chewing, on my teeth I have the same kind of sensations that I had wearing braces years ago. My upper incisor also give me some signals, this could be a proove that something is appening in my maxilla bone. Anyway I'm sure that most of the movement will be teeth tipping but this is not bad because I need it to.

2mm of real expansion by the end of the year would be a great success for me, but I'm sure that the only way to get results is to find a good orthodontist that expands my maxilla with a fixed expander.

 

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Posted : 09/06/2018 5:55 pm
Shane
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Awesome diy approach. 

1. I echo Apollo's concern regarding toxicity. Perhaps do a little extra research and possibly supplement with something that might help offset the health effects. I know you don't feel anything, but that doesn't mean bad things aren't happening.

2. Go slow. Everywhere I read they recommend going slow in order for new bone to grow, otherwise the results will only be temporary.

 

Good luck! I think someone as determined as you will have success.

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Posted : 18/06/2018 6:31 pm
Gold25
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Do you live in Europe? 

If so I have a solution for you.

let me know 

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Posted : 04/09/2018 6:24 pm
zazme
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Posted by: Gold25

Do you live in Europe? 

If so I have a solution for you.

let me know 

curious to hear your solution

 
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Posted : 11/05/2019 8:48 am
Gold25
New Member

i flew to kiev, ukraine and they did a great job of making me a homeoblock for my palate. They also made me one for my jaw. cost 500 AUD  for both upper and lower. It is a great clinic. any questions let me know 

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Posted : 11/05/2019 8:57 am
Gold25
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lumident 

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Posted : 11/05/2019 9:14 am
zazme
New Member

thanks, that's  something I was thinking about too, going to a CEE country and have it fixed there for 1/4 the price 

my only concern is how do manage all the follow up appointments (like every 6-8 weeks)?

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Posted : 11/05/2019 5:46 pm
Gold25
New Member

Since you apply the semi rapid expansion yourself there is really no danger and therefore can go longer between appointments. You can always explain to your dentist that it is not possible for you to see them every 8 weeks and sort out a longer time period. Definitely eastern Europe for dental but Ukraine was cheaper than everyone.. Budapest, Sofia etc 

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Posted : 11/05/2019 6:18 pm
zazme
New Member

great thanks for your answer 🙂

would be awesome if you could report back in 6 months or 12 months time and let us know how your overall experience was. what's your plan actually if i may ask?

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Posted : 12/05/2019 10:44 am
Gold25
New Member

will do. I am attempting to speed up the process and face the risks involved.

I was advised to expand the appliance once a week.

I am doing much more than that and want to see how quickly i can expand my palate. 

He said that I may need braces for a short time to correct teeth alignment. Many of his cases did not need it. If i do need some i would buy lingual braces which are braces behind the teeth. 

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Posted : 13/05/2019 5:56 pm
zazme
New Member

very interesting as i am trying to do the same.

i have mild/moderate crowding in my upper jaw due to a narrow palate (i still have all of my premolars, so no extraction). my goal is to expand the palate and then see whether my teeth align naturally through mewing over time. if not i will buy braces, maybe lingual, maybe ceramic depending how long the treatment would last.

i also have an overjet of 6,5 mm and a mild/moderate overbite. so it would be interesting to see if i can also achieve a forward movement of my mandible with a wider upper jaw palate.

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Posted : 14/05/2019 4:15 am
Gold25
New Member

yeah nice. What device are you going to use to expand the palate?

Homeoblock is great. I am sure there are many other semi rapid expanders out there. I am also using the jawzercize as I read that is good to use in conjunction with my device as it will help the teeth settle quicker in there new position. Was a bit skeptical but has sped up the process.

 

I want to see what is possible in a month on the homeobloc. They recommed one screw per week.- I am going to attempt 3 screws a day. If my teeth are too sore I will reduce. I have just started 3 days ago and have turned it 9 times. My teeth are moving already and i can feels my palate expanding. 

Ill keep you posted with my progress

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Posted : 14/05/2019 9:37 am
zazme
New Member

the doc where i am planning to go uses the biobloc for the upper jaw and the lip bumper on the lower jaw. 

wow, are you sure about 3 screws a day? according to mew, the preferred method is an expansion of 1 mm a week since expanding too fast may damage your teeth. i would personally stick to that. i believe in slow and steady progress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtzHjF6qP8Y

do you have any crowding in your upper jaw? 

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Posted : 14/05/2019 11:57 am
Gold25
New Member

haha yeah i know its pretty extreme. Thats what homeoblock recommend also once a week. 

I am basing it on how my teeth and palate feel after expansion. If my teeth or palate feel to sore I will reduce the frequency but after the first 3 days lots of progress and only a tiny bit of teeth pain.

good luck with the biobloc 

 

 

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Posted : 14/05/2019 12:15 pm
zazme
New Member

haha ok thanks!

good luck with your DIY approach and please report back 🙂

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Posted : 14/05/2019 12:30 pm
liekedutch
New Member

Hi @Gold25 , I am really curious which clinic you went to. How often do you have to go for a check up? Thanks!

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Posted : 24/05/2019 2:43 pm
darkindigo
Reputable Member
Posted by: Cassius

 

 

@cassius I’m so confused.  Your IMW looks decent from that mold.  This is pretty gutsy and I am inspired.  However...what makes you think you need widening? How did you make that mold???  Where did you buy this?  Are all these photos ones you took?

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