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This is an incredible transformation. It's not even a matter of how he achieved all of this, the change in itself is be groundbreaking regardless of the techniques and methods involved. No documented combination of surgeries, fillers or implants has ever produced a change as natural and pleasing as this. Nothing has, as far as I am aware of. This is something truly special, and I hope that Helmut gets a chance to thoroughly explain himself.
@eddiemoney Do you believe salludon did all of this with hard mewing pushing up like he stated? Or do you think he was mainly pushing forward? my guess is he was pushing up and forward but the forward is what translated into his results. It seems like everyone is hard mewing these days but no one can get results close to him. He had to be doing something different than the majority.
My guess is that very few (myself included) can consciously hard mew for more than a few minutes. Maybe the constant will and force is what produces results
If it is a hoax, and I am not saying that it is, then it is not about fillers and plastic surgery, then it is an entirely different person on the later pictures than in the early ones. Thats the only other possibility imo. But maybe he just knows how to mew like no one else.
The 0.01% to actually achieve supermodel tier looks from mewing.
Looks like the lovechild of O'pry and Gandy to me for some reason.
He already had good bone structure to begin with. It wasn't as if he looked like StBlackOps2cel or Eggman. His midface ratio was decent, he had good fwhr, and was decently good looking as it was. For results like these you need a great foundation. It doesn't disprove his transformation, he just got to 100 from a starting point of 85 where someone like me had a starting point of 40 or thereabouts.
The 0.01% to actually achieve supermodel tier looks from mewing.
Looks like the lovechild of O'pry and Gandy to me for some reason.
He already had good bone structure to begin with. It wasn't as if he looked like StBlackOps2cel or Eggman. His midface ratio was decent, he had good fwhr, and was decently good looking as it was. For results like these you need a great foundation. It doesn't disprove his transformation, he just got to 100 from a starting point of 85 where someone like me had a starting point of 40 or thereabouts.
Yep. Hence the 0.01%
If that was the only unique thing about his case, we would see more cases like his. Plenty of peoples are starting out from a decent foundation. There is more to it than that, his hard mewing dedication must be out of this world, possibly combined with some other factor, like his sutures are not as hardly fused as the average person.
The 0.01% to actually achieve supermodel tier looks from mewing.
Looks like the lovechild of O'pry and Gandy to me for some reason.
He already had good bone structure to begin with. It wasn't as if he looked like StBlackOps2cel or Eggman. His midface ratio was decent, he had good fwhr, and was decently good looking as it was. For results like these you need a great foundation. It doesn't disprove his transformation, he just got to 100 from a starting point of 85 where someone like me had a starting point of 40 or thereabouts.
Yep. Hence the 0.01%
If that was the only unique thing about his case, we would see more cases like his. Plenty of peoples are starting out from a decent foundation. There is more to it than that, his hard mewing dedication must be out of this world, possibly combined with some other factor, like his sutures are not as hardly fused as the average person.
Never said his good starting point as the only factor for him being in the top 0.01%, just that it was a factor.
He was extremely dedicated, consistent and knowledgeable too which makes him belong in the above-ish percentage. I recall him saying that he even tried to maintain good posture even when standing by tightening his lower abs and glutes (unlike most of us). That and walking in that extreme chin tuck he mentioned must have also contributed greatly for his results.
Hello everyone, let me clarify a few things about these latest results.
This is not all mewing/chewing based. This was a result of bonesmashing with Vitamin K supplementing. I will notify helmutstrebl to share a full routine soon
Hello everyone, let me clarify a few things about these latest results.
This is not all mewing/chewing based. This was a result of bonesmashing with Vitamin K supplementing. I will notify helmutstrebl to share a full routine soon
The bonesmashing was for his zygos, though. It didn't explain his skull getting wider and chin coming forward/lower third getting longer. Mewing gave him most of his results while I think bonesmashing was the icing on the cake.
I am at least glad mewing gave me cheekbones so I don't have to bonesmash my face. I do know personally bonesmashing works though because my knuckles have grown a lot from bareknuckle punching brick walls.
Hello everyone, let me clarify a few things about these latest results.
This is not all mewing/chewing based. This was a result of bonesmashing with Vitamin K supplementing. I will notify helmutstrebl to share a full routine soon
The bonesmashing was for his zygos, though. It didn't explain his skull getting wider and chin coming forward/lower third getting longer. Mewing gave him most of his results while I think bonesmashing was the icing on the cake.
I am at least glad mewing gave me cheekbones so I don't have to bonesmash my face. I do know personally bonesmashing works though because my knuckles have grown a lot from bareknuckle punching brick walls.
I checked his insta out a few months before he apparently started bone smashing and I can tell you that his cheekbones were already pretty prominent then. I don't know why he thought of bone smashing, though as he already had his zygos pushed out and up from mewing.
PS. If anyone can do a better job lining these up that'd be sweet considering I only have my phone and paint to do this, so there's an inherent imprecision from me. But this is the best I can do.
Considering my own personal results (which are nowhere near his current face but very drastic) I do believe he did accomplish this on his own without surgery. At this point I am convinced model tier looks are possible for those that already started out with decent bone structure. Those of us that started with below average development can still be glad to look like we at least don't have CFD anymore. My previously non existent ogee curve testifies to this.
PS. If anyone can do a better job lining these up that'd be sweet considering I only have my phone and paint to do this, so there's an inherent imprecision from me. But this is the best I can do.
Anyone who says that camera angles make his results inconclusive are wanting to not believe at this point.
@eddiemoney Do you think pretty much anyone can have a big of change as you or salludon? Is hard work and technique the main limiting factor or does it all come down to genetics/sutures/age? My main question is if I work as hard as salludon and do tongue ballooning would it be reasonable to expect drastic results? My fear is to end up like the kids on reddit who have little to no changes. Thanks btw im 18
I will br 34 this year and I started in 2017 just learning about mewing. So I do believe it is possible.
Chewing: Hard gum for 30 minutes every night and soft gum for 1.5-2 hours mostly while working out in the gym
"I added thumb pulling , bone smashing and increased my chewing duration. Now i chew soft gum for 1.5-2 hours usually while working out in the gym and hard gum for 30 minutes"
"i chew way more now"
Bonesmashing: 1-2 minutes every hour, 3x a week 5 min. on each zygo 5 min. on chin (hard af). Bonesmashed for around 6 months
Doesn't do bonesmashing anymore and hasn't done so for 2+ months
I asked him about any gains lost (in regards to bonesmashing since if i recall correctly i've heard here and there that the results of it don't (always) stay) and he replied short and sweet with a: "Nope."
Mewing:
"I’m still doing hard mewing and chin tucking although i don’t chin tuck that much maybe 30-60 minutes max"
Just saw this now but all i can say is WOW. @darkindigo i looked at your comment on some post maybe it was this one too?? idk. But you stated that focusing on the back of the tongue too much leads to a wide palate and doesnt help with the front of the palate. I believe you even said it causes the front teeth to recess which is literally the opposite of what i want!! I have a deep bite and thats always what ive done is focus on the back mostly and swallowing and having proper suuction. Ive never really had a lot of force on the front of the palate. Your statement seems to go along with what this guy does. He just hard mewed and chin tuck. when you do that your going to get a TON of force pushing upward on the front of the palate which would seem to lead to a lot of changes.
I believe that Mewing works, but you should consider the following points, which also bring a change
1. probably the most important: Losing facial fat! Bloat etc. In the past he had a little more. This makes a drastic difference, because you couldn't see the bones so well before.
Vitamin K also helps in my opinion: Either it helps flush out water or it makes the bones pop out.
2.
Hyoid/fat under chin is gone = Drastic change from the side
3. massester construction. General facial muscles
4. growth, face definitely continues to develop in the 20s.
I just wonder to what extent Mewing has changed his facial structure and what role the other points play. I think everything had an influence
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@eddiemoney I agree with @OkBrah. It would be really interesting to see your results. Especially considering how much you have posted and contributed here on this forum.
I am planning on sharing. Keep in mind my changes won't be anywhere near as impressive as @HelmutStrebl BUT I feel for where I started they have been good. Especially considering my age (I started in my 30s)
I am planning on sharing. Keep in mind my changes won't be anywhere near as impressive as @HelmutStrebl BUT I feel for where I started they have been good. Especially considering my age (I started in my 30s)
If you do post a progress pic, kindly post a pic of your smile as well since I'd like to see how a gummy smile improves with time (I have never seen this even on Reddit).
I am planning on sharing. Keep in mind my changes won't be anywhere near as impressive as @HelmutStrebl BUT I feel for where I started they have been good. Especially considering my age (I started in my 30s)
If you do post a progress pic, kindly post a pic of your smile as well since I'd like to see how a gummy smile improves with time (I have never seen this even on Reddit).
This will happen. It's been probably one of my biggest improvements.
1 year ago, I was taking notes of @helmutstrebl recommendations and his replies to certain questions, this is what I wrote: (You may want to add this to the post @community-lurker)
1. Mew 24/7 (Hard) + (Upward) + (Push evenly) + (Most force on the middle and back third)... Hyoid bone start Burning.
2. Extreme chin tuck (as much as you can) (2-3 hours)... To the point where it stops me from breathing + my arms get numb
3. Gum chewing with cold water 20-30 minutes... Don't chew too much
4. Proper lip seal
5. Proper Swallowing... Try to keep molars together
6. Posture
7. Sleep on back on bed without a pillow..."I am not sure if I am mewing or not while sleeping, but I am sure I breath through my nose and mouth is closed"
8. Trouble breathing when chin tuck + hard mewing
* Don't use the muscle under chin
* You should feel tightness in your masseter muscle
* Molars are in contact for growth of mandible and maxilla both
* Chin tuck...Try to flatten your neck against the wall
* Don't forget to do moderate mewing while sleeping
Filler dissolving after a few short years is a myth. There were studies done showing that people who had filler injected 10 years prior still had most of it prevalent in their faces. What actually happens is the filler moves around to surrounding areas over time and so looks less effective, as though it had “dissolved” and can make people look puffy after a period of time. Of course, you can get the filler manually dissolved if you don’t like it.
This could be interpreted incorrectly. He said to mew in a way that didn't make you have a bulge under your chin, not to stop using "the muscle under chin" since there are so many muscles attached to the hyoid which helps in mewing.
* Molars are in contact for growth of mandible and maxilla both
He recommended "very light contact" like Mike Mew recommends.
Also, one other thing he mentioned in his first year routine was that he slept with a pillow with his head on the edge, in a chin-tuck position.
I went through his comment history on Reddit multiple times and it also shows that he was on-and-off mewing since he was 20 (he stated this himself) but got really into it when he was 21-22. So he's actually been mewing for 4 years (if he's 24 now).
Here John Mew explains why he doesn’t have many X-rays of patients.
Also regarding Helmutsrebl’s case: seems like a mixture of mewing and probably fillers and/or a chin augmentation to me. Seems he’s had the best of both worlds which has led to a great result.
My guess combine loss of fat you can see cheek bone better. He is in his early 20's so still growing which is common for many men. Along with a strict routine and decent genetics he got this result. Now does this mean we all get it?? No . For older folks no. For younger maybe a better chance .
@rocoloco He's not following the forum anymore, he appearantly forgot his password. I'm luckily able to act as a middle man for him though with discord.
I asked him about if his voice changed and he told me: "I really don't think so tbh"
I followed up with:
"Didn't get better at signing e.g.? Like Astro appearany did through mewing mostly"
"Did your palate expand quite a bit with mewing? I think it's tied mainly to palate size"
To which he responded with: "Palate expanded but i'm not sure about voice"
mandible grows just not the way people think, mandible grows in the back (ramus region) both horizontally and vertically, and not in the chin area.
the chin growth happens because of strong lip seal of lower lip changing incisors inclination + mandible moving forward because of growth in the ramus region.
In motion:General side profile:Start to now comparison:Complete timeline (thank you @Progress for this comparison):
