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Achieving Face and Skull Symmetry in Adults

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Frank
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Hello Everybody!

I was wondering if somebody has experience with improving face and skull symmetry in adults? I have a so called left-right-distortion due to birth trauma since childhood. It was not treated those days (I am 37 now) because it was said it will grow out by itself, but it did not fully … this means one cheekbone, one side of the dental arch, one side of the back of the head is a bit flatter than the other one (about 5mm). Furthermore, one eye appears a bit larger because the bone of the eye is a bit more back than on the other side, but they are at the same level.

Any suggestions on such an issue? I got aware that I never place and placed my tongue on top, it was laying down since childhood.

Regards,

Frank

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 3:19 pm
Fknasymetries
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i don’t know anyone who has succesfully achieved this but i am going to try. ALF treatment maybe NCR (i didn’t study this thing for now, it could be a scam but for now i have no judgement) and fillers/implants are the only possible treatments i know for now, there was also that Starteca rectifier thing but i have only seen a thread with less than 5 posts and no conclusion on it so idk about that.

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 2:32 pm
Odys
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It is a difficult task but some improvement is in my opinion both possible and worthwhile. Mewing is the start. Getting your head straight on your shoulders is next. Release of neck muscles by massage (Rolfing intensity) will make it easier to command yourself to carry it straight. Evening out your shoulders by this and stretching (yoga has postures that may help). Balancing the posture of your whole body down to your toes. Some cranio sacral therapists will think they can move things around. I am not so sure. Maybe they would have some success with me now I have released some of the tight jam that was my face and skull, by the things mentioned above.

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 3:39 pm
GoTTi
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Posted by: Fknasymetries

i don’t know anyone who has succesfully achieved this but i am going to try. ALF treatment maybe NCR (i didn’t study this thing for now, it could be a scam but for now i have no judgement) and fillers/implants are the only possible treatments i know for now, there was also that Starteca rectifier thing but i have only seen a thread with less than 5 posts and no conclusion on it so idk about that.

I agree about fillers, ALF, and NCR therapy. However, would it be far fetched to say that perhaps maybe facial yoga can contribute to fixing asymmetry? I know for a fact that it can keep you young, change the shape of the nose, & help provide fullness to the lips.  Also you could change the dimensions of the face to give you a more square jaw if you work the masseter muscles. We also know now that hypertrophy induces upregulates bone deposition mechanisms.

 

 Something to think about.  

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 4:19 pm
GoTTi
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www.shapeyourface.com has some interesting information and the developer of the site is phenomenal and a wealth of knowledge.  His results are staggering as well 

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 4:22 pm
Fknasymetries
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Posted by: GoTTi
Posted by: Fknasymetries

i don’t know anyone who has succesfully achieved this but i am going to try. ALF treatment maybe NCR (i didn’t study this thing for now, it could be a scam but for now i have no judgement) and fillers/implants are the only possible treatments i know for now, there was also that Starteca rectifier thing but i have only seen a thread with less than 5 posts and no conclusion on it so idk about that.

I agree about fillers, ALF, and NCR therapy. However, would it be far fetched to say that perhaps maybe facial yoga can contribute to fixing asymmetry? I know for a fact that it can keep you young, change the shape of the nose, & help provide fullness to the lips.  Also you could change the dimensions of the face to give you a more square jaw if you work the masseter muscles. We also know now that hypertrophy induces upregulates bone deposition mechanisms.

 

 Something to think about.  

Thanks for the imput.

The thing is that if you have an assymetrical jaw, you will hurt yourself if you chew heavily. It’s like benchpressing but in diagonal, the only thing you will achieve is destroying your shoulders (or jaw joint in case of chewing). And even if you could, one side would work more than the other…thus worsenning the assymetries, let assides the fact that if one muscle is shorter than the other, it will look bulkier.

That’s the reson why i will first see what the ALF can do for me, then once the balance is somewhat restored i will try to chew more  and then if it still doesn’t work i will see what skull reshaping can do for me. Always fix the underlying cuase before sticking shit on your face, at least that’s how i see things.

As for shapeyour.com, i will check when i have more time, thank you for sharing.

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 5:25 pm
Odys
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Yes. Beware chewing hard on an asymmetrical jaw. Check to see if when eating you have developed the habit of chewing on one side, or favour one side for chewing. If so try to use the other side and head towards using both.

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 5:42 pm
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GoTTi
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Posted by: Fknasymetries
Posted by: GoTTi
Posted by: Fknasymetries

i don’t know anyone who has succesfully achieved this but i am going to try. ALF treatment maybe NCR (i didn’t study this thing for now, it could be a scam but for now i have no judgement) and fillers/implants are the only possible treatments i know for now, there was also that Starteca rectifier thing but i have only seen a thread with less than 5 posts and no conclusion on it so idk about that.

I agree about fillers, ALF, and NCR therapy. However, would it be far fetched to say that perhaps maybe facial yoga can contribute to fixing asymmetry? I know for a fact that it can keep you young, change the shape of the nose, & help provide fullness to the lips.  Also you could change the dimensions of the face to give you a more square jaw if you work the masseter muscles. We also know now that hypertrophy induces upregulates bone deposition mechanisms.

 

 Something to think about.  

Thanks for the imput.

The thing is that if you have an assymetrical jaw, you will hurt yourself if you chew heavily. It’s like benchpressing but in diagonal, the only thing you will achieve is destroying your shoulders (or jaw joint in case of chewing). And even if you could, one side would work more than the other…thus worsenning the assymetries, let assides the fact that if one muscle is shorter than the other, it will look bulkier.

That’s the reson why i will first see what the ALF can do for me, then once the balance is somewhat restored i will try to chew more  and then if it still doesn’t work i will see what skull reshaping can do for me. Always fix the underlying cuase before sticking shit on your face, at least that’s how i see things.

As for shapeyour.com, i will check when i have more time, thank you for sharing.

No problem. & thank you too, bro. I see where you’re coming from. What if you have a recessed lower jaw with very little to no asymmetry?  i have a pretty symmetrical face minus some nasal deviation and one side of my face is a bit stronger than the other.  Sure enough, my right side is the strongest side and I have more of a developed masseter muscle on that side. It’s barely noticeable though.

 

 Also, what is skull reshaping?

 

btw, you should look into LIPUS and have a talk with your ALF practitioner about it as it may be of benefit to you for optimal results.  Another thing you may want to do is look into Bowen therapy to get your posture perfected, just in casez.

 

Speaking of ALF, I’m not sure if you already saw what a person on here said I believe last week, but he said that he talk to the a leading ALF practitioner in the United States  & he said that the practitioner told him that the ALF splits the maxilla gradually, which i believe is what basically happens when you undergo MSE. Maybe you can inquire about this and perhaps, if this is true at all, look into implementing some protraction options during treatment?

 

Lastly, I would probably look into dosing on MK-677 or undergoing some prolonged fasting during treatment as these two options can help expedite the process of bone remodeling and several other functions and mechanisms.

 
Posted : 25/06/2019 8:08 pm
Fknasymetries
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idk about your case, i cannot telly you like that. If you have little assymetries that you think are beyond what’s normal then the ALF might be able to correct them yeah. If like me you aren’t comfortable with sending your photos you could send a photo of some celebrities in a similar case than you and then i could give you my unprofessional advice.

 

I will later look what LIPUS is and the bowen therapy as well, you are adding a shit tons of thing in my “i should research what this is list” but that’s a very good thing thank you.

 

I saw that about the ALF appliance splitting sutures last week but…

-what is your evidence?

-“i have been doing it for quite a long time now”

I mean the AGGA practitioners claim that it gives you more proeminent cheekbones but if i am correct, Ronald ead’s midface is still flat, as for the other photos there is some obvious camera angle trickery. As for the ALF, i am not going to visit a “certified” practitioner until septembre but when doing my own research on the subject, i found a doctoral thesis in which everything is explained (posture/cranial imbalances/strain with their impact on body posture and even a quick mention of the ALF). And when Googling the name of that person, i found out that her cabinet is at maybe 1 hour from where i live so i will definetly book a consultation. then before starting my treatment i will look at what i should eat, what supplements i should take etc. I will link the thesis here, but it’s in french unfortunatly, just in case it could help someone who speaks french. Btw here is a MSE video, and there is noway the ALf can do this. Look at how deep it penetrates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7D3l3X2B5g

 

Here is the thesis: http://thesesante.ups-tlse.fr/27/1/2012TOU33072.pdf

 

As for skull reshaping, it is a cosmetic procedure, there are implants, a surgery which consists in removing the posterior portion of the temporal muscle to reduce head width and convexity and a lot more to chose from . An implant could be usefull for someone with for exemple plagiocephaly or even some cases of brachycephaly if you don’t want to carry on your parent’s mistakes your whole life you know. Some peoples feel really bad about that like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_OzIGt7zz4 and it is not something that mewing/ALF/MSE and that kind of stuff can fix unfortunatly (talking about the flat spot at the back of the head), idk if OP has that.

 

 

 

 

 
Posted : 26/06/2019 6:23 am
danksch
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Hey,

did you make progress on your situation ? I’m in a similar boat as you, I started my MSE treatment even two weeks ago, and my osteopath told me I have a torsion in my sphenoid. 

I’ve actually stopped turning for now, and want to get a second opinion from a holistic orthodontist before I continue my MSE treatment because I fear that a) my internally rotated side is stiff and I will definitely expand mostly on the left side, worsening the asymmetry, and b) this will probably cause the sphenoid to twist even further.

I’m looking into ALF / splint therapy to correct my cranial base asymmetry first before anything else now.

I’ve researched MSE for years now, and still didn’t look into osteopathy until recently…wish I knew this stuff earlier, now I already paid the bucks for it.

 
Posted : 19/07/2021 1:58 pm
Thomas22
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Posted by: @danksch

I started my MSE treatment even two weeks ago, and my osteopath told me I have a torsion in my sphenoid. 

Did it predate your MSE? Is that possible?

Dr. Belfor has scans of his Homeoblock patients, that show changes in the sphenoid. The sphenoid grows with Homeoblock treatment. It makes sense. They’re all connected, so if you a facial asymmetry, you probably have issues with your sphenoid as well.

 
Posted : 19/07/2021 10:10 pm
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danksch
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@thomas22 Yes, I had my first session with him before and went with the installation regardless, since everything was planned already and I didnt want to chicken out. Too bad that I’m having these extreme doubts now.

I also wonder whether its possible to revert some asymmetry after MSE / Invisalign treatment (e.g. applying a homeblock somewhere in the future), which is obviously the suboptimal order, but still. My fear is that the expansion sort of “cements” the present torsion and worsens it by a certain amount, so you can only do so much afterwards.

 
Posted : 20/07/2021 8:48 am

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